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  • Personal Stories Of Neurodivergence - The Ability To Think Different
    2025/05/08

    Mark introduces the guys and topic. He cites how aligned both guys are. As they enter the call they’re thinking of the same topics and thoughts

    Neurodivergence (See definition at the bottom of the show notes)

    Mark shares a call about his grandson and his current struggles which may well involve him being on the spectrum

    Jim shared his perspective about labels and crutches and his own story about being neurodivergent himself growing up

    Jim’s perspective is to reframe this label as an opportunity to think of things differently

    Neither guy likes meds, but do agree that in some cases they can be a Godsend

    Jim tells a story about meeting his son’s fiancee’s family…one of who was neurodiverse. So many different degrees of the neurodivergent mind

    Mark reads the definition that Jim provided (Version posted below)

    Mark jokes that there is no normal and the definition sounds like the description of a teenager

    Elon Musk comes up. Mark shares a recent interview he saw with Musk about Mars

    Mark was amazed. Jim agrees

    Jim talks about Dan Sullivan’s recent diagnosis in later age and how one of his clients benefits from doing work with him being a neurodiverse person - “Unique Abilities”

    The importance of self-awareness and self acceptance

    Mark shares his opinion on the value of self awareness as well as how unique people are. He also talks about the danger of labeling. Excuses, victimhood and manipulation. Both guys warn about the problems with victimhood. Mark thinks his grandson’s temptation might be the manipulation

    Jim shares more about Dan Sullivan’s position about neurodivergence

    Violence and anger are common traits of neurodiverse people who don’t get help

    Mark looks at neurodivergence as simply another challenge to be overcome. Jim agrees that overcoming hardship affects everyone

    Jim is very skeptical about academia and neurodiversity

    Mark shares his best childhood’s condition and his older brother’s inability to stay focused

    Jim says it’s been around forever. People just understand it better. He also clarifies that his challenge is dysgraphia. More than dyslexia. And how each condition affects how his brain works. He thinks AI will be a game changer for the neurodiverse

    Mark shares the details of discussing his grandson with his other parents and relatives. Mark asks Jim’s opinion on all of this and his own journey

    Jim mentions his efforts to develop his own brand and how his unique abilities are big part of this

    Jim brings up fortitude - the ability to develop it in the face of hardship

    He shares a few childhood stories about hardship and fortitude as a neurodiverse kid. The story about his dad and “I can’t” and some other school related stories. Being embarrassed about poor reading and comprehension in front of the other kids. How he beat up all the kids who made fun of him and how anger manifested itself. Jim’s football story speaks to the importance of a good mindset and proper mentality

    Final story is about his first concussion and subsequent failure at community college

    Essentially Jim is on a whole new journey with a new perspective on why he is who he is and how he’s accomplished what he has. Then he shares a story of how harmful comparison is

    The whole conversation is very personal and enlightening

    Mark frames the lessons…No labels, no victim behavior and no manipulation. No one is special and everyone is special. Mark thinks it’s very important and hopefully medicine is a last step

    Jim shares the wisdom of life happening for you and not to you. Just show up and there’s no such thing as “I can’t”

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    "Neurodivergent refers to individuals whose brains function differently from what's considered typical or normative, encompassing a variety of conditions like autism, ADHD, and learning disabilities. It's a broad term that recognizes natural variation in how brains process information, rather than viewing such differences as deficits."

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    34 分
  • Beware The "Vortex". Aging Gracefully In Relationships
    2025/05/01
    Mark introduces the topic of male and female relationships. Jim had brought up the recent Bill Belichick interview with his new 24 year old girlfriend Jim covers our framework and the wheel of life. Relationships is one of the five and women is a subset of that Jim likes looking at life in increments of 10 years. Now we’re both in our 60’s and things have changed Jim brings up the Belichick interview in the context of self awareness and how he was not self aware at all Both guys lost respect for him Mark goes back to his relationship with his girlfriend and brings up how recently he spent more time than ever at his girlfriend’s house. We have our own homes. Mark shares some frustration that came up and talks about why that might be. Then he brings up age. He specifically wants to pinpoint romantic/sexual relationships. Not platonic Mark thinks all guys want to have this discussion Jim brings up his 40 year relationship - married for 35 years Jim doesn’t believe we were meant to be together”forever”. He thinks marriage contracts should be like other licenses. Tests, updates, renewals, etc…terms and conditions He talks about renegotiating the marriage license. Reevaluate and reconsider He thinks relationships end because communication stops Mark shares his Catholic position where marriage is a sacrament which makes things a bit different Mark shares his frustration about communicating with his girlfriend as they age. Hearing and talking. Mark thinks is due to being together for 6 years and getting older Mark was saddened by the Belichick interview. How terrible the interview was to his reputation Jim thinks Belichick is at fault. Jim brings up his first hand experience with pro athletes and celebrity/praise Both guys are a bit taken aback with the lack of self awareness. What about his daughter? Mark laughs about what his daughters would say Mark thinks both people are at fault. Belichick is the older more powerful player. Mark thinks they both have ulterior motive Mark continues to be interested in the contract topic Mark feels he has a responsibility to bring up these conversation with his girlfriend and take some responsibility for the outcome Jim says calling a woman crazy is the new “C” word. He believes woman drive everything. They are the way they are due to evolution. Male and female roles and the woman’s menstrual cycle. Jim describes his view of why woman act the way they do. Mark thinks all of that is true, but…both guys know that discussion would be challenging:) Jim thinks often that women tells things that are not necessarily what they really feel Mark brings up examples of men and women who talked and set expectations before committing to one another. He thinks these discussions about expectations can make long term relationships last Jim agrees and says yes…but you also have to keep having them, adjusting and adapting. Keep discussing things as they change. Understanding the different roles id critical Also, we have more recently been confusing men and women about who they are Mark talks about his mom and dad’s divorce. He shares a few stories about their vastly different memories of different disagreements Jim likes the idea of the “vortex” Mark jokes about having had experience with “said vortex” with his ex-wife Mark feels strongly that self awareness is important and many of us don’t have it Mark thinks Belichick misses the attention. He feels we all need to adjust and replace as we age Mark recounts how he went inside to find blame with his frustration with his girlfriend and how helpful that is Jim shares a couple more stories. One friend was struggling with his marriage and the other was trying to help. He puts it in perspective of the vortex…his buddy ended up getting divorced. Beware the vortex The spell a woman has on a man Mark thinks we all have the ability to manipulate and we need to take this responsibility seriously Jim’s female friend shared an opinion that men are dumb and woman are far more complex. He feels men stay much the same and women change a lot. He defines what he feels are mens roles and women’s roles. Mark feels both people in a relationship have responsibilities to be kind and respectful Jim shares more of his opinion about roles. Mark reaffirms the differences between men and women and claims we should celebrate these differences He ends with the importance of communication and how it can make or break a relationship
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    38 分
  • Confidence Isn’t a Trait, It’s a Practice
    2025/04/24
    Mark introduces the topic of confidence. Self-confidence The topic originated with Jim’s interest in elitism - entitlement - self-accountability - confidence In order to be self accountable, one must be confident Jim ties in the current news events and his recent book as he frames his view of confidence. Particularly sports and business He distinguishes between confidence and the competence required to be confident Jim brings up academia. See civically Harvard…and entitlements/elitism He shares the academic idea that perfection is attainable. We both support the reality of imperfection Mark observes that confidence can be under done and over done He shares his vision of where confidence comes from. Genetic and environment. Confidence starts to develop early Jim thinks it’s all relative. People have very different perspectives on these issues of elitism and confidence Jim shares his trade background and how educated people looked down on him and made him feel less than. Jim thinks the more “educated” you are, the less wisdom you have Mark distinguishes between knowledge and wisdom. He shares his upbringing close to the Boston Ivy League and his disdain for this specific elitism Mark thinks the family is huge in it’s role of confidence building Jim moves into sports He agrees about the family influence. Jim thinks sports really emphasizes and exaggerates the importance and influence of confidence. Jim brings up the example of Eli Manning who is referenced in this book as to his mental blocks before winning They joke about the Giants-Patriots games and Tom Brady comes up as the consummate mind-body guy Mark connects all the life areas in the wheel and shares his experience when one area is operating at his peak…how the other areas benefit Mark shares his thoughts about momentum and how contgious confidence can become Marks ask about ignorance and brings up Mike Tyson as an example of this Jim references his book again and shares the idea of a mental bank where confidence can be pulled from or deposited into. Managing the highs and lows by ignoring, forgetting and living in the moment Mark thinks confident people look at failure as an opportunity to learn Expectation management is required to keep the lows land highs regulated Jim talks about how some recent wins got him a little high and he’s keeping an eye on being let down Mark recalls feeling very confident and what a great feeling it is. But, he cautions that when you get that feeling, you have two choices: I deserve this…or I’m grateful for this…and that’s a Big difference. Mark says gratitude creates a “landslide” of more confidence. Now Jim moves to the next topic from his book…the personal narrative. How the brain can produce adrenaline like a performance enhancing drug Mark shares his daughter’s experience with anxiety and fear and her overcoming the fear by facing it head on…and your confidence can return. Jim says you can reframe your fear Mark shares his story about nerves during his 12 year old Little League Allstar game. How his dad talked him down and taught him how to channel nerves Jim brings up the next topic of filters and the power of reframing your focus toward success versus failures Mark brings up his “worst case scenario” strategy. If the worst case is a loss…so what. He then shares the value of either ignoring others or paying no attention to the criticisms of others. The mental filters Persistency and patience are two other qualities Jim brings up in the context of his patents and recent successes Another point is how little we have control over as we’re trying to accomplish something. Jim also appreciates how you can view the world as happening to you or for you Mark shares his daughter’s journey to business success…and frames it over the persistence required over 20 years Then he talks about her generous reference to him as the force that kept her going when she wanted to quit Then Jim asks Mark to recount the time his daughter almost lost her business some years ago to a cease and desist order Jim believes the Government position to shut her down was just another form of elitism. Both guys think the food and drug departments in government are being fully exposed now Elitism - entitlement - self accountability - self confidence
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    32 分
  • Frameworks: The Invisible Structures Behind A Well Lived Life
    2025/04/18

    Mark shares the value of the “pregame” the guys use to prepare for the podcast

    He introduces the topic of frameworks

    How they can be good or harmful

    Jim shares how frameworks evolve and how ours did. Our tagline “The Imperfection Is The Perfection”

    Jim used this with his kids when they got frustrated with him

    He thinks imperfections and failures make us who we are

    Jim shares how when we started the podcast, we were thinking of “Civill Discourse” as a theme. Then we came upon our Wheel Of Life

    Jim takes us around the wheel and digs into all 5 areas of life and then some deeper topics in each area. It’s our framework and it’s very helpful in keeping us on topic and consistent. That’s what good frameworks do

    Jim adds that we spend a good bit of time in the center of our wheel “the self”…and all the value that comes from “self” exercises (awareness, reflection, talk…)

    Jim talks about how he uses our framework in all walks of life. He thinks AI will only make frameworks more important

    Mark shares his journey with frameworks. How structure is something humans need. He used to resist them and now leans on them hard. He thinks they help with clarity, resonance, consistency and credibility

    Structure and order alone make frameworks valuable

    Jim mentions context and calibration in the context of frameworks. He also mentions alignment

    Jim talks about how helpful frameworks are with his dyslexia. He appreciates how we both compliment each other Mark shares how different both guys are and how productive it makes us. He talks about the ups and downs of “structure”. They can be helpful but also restrictive

    Mark and Jim both appreciate the pushback and combined experience working together for so long

    Mark thinks he is basically an opponent of “rules” and talks about how rules stay the same even when things change. Mark gets heated about his opposition to rules just for the sake of rules

    Jim agrees and cites some examples of things being “out of date”

    Jim brings up SWOT and SOARS as frameworks. He prefers a focus on positives only. Strengths, opportunities, aspirations…

    What does success look like - manifest that

    Mark likes the optimism of the SOARS acronym

    Mark talks about guys and what guys feel comfortable talking about

    Where can men go to talk about shit - The Imperfect Mens Club baby!

    Mark feels like Jim’s SOARS acronym supports what we’re doling here at IMC

    Jim sees how Mark uses frameworks every day in everything he does professionally

    Jim digs a bit deeper into he idea that things change and frameworks need to change and clarity is critical. Adjustments to frameworks keeps them fresh

    The guys talk more about the evolution of the podcast based on investigation and changes

    Mark now uses frameworks for many practices during his day. Faith, work, family, exercise…

    Jim reflects on what happens when we focus on only one area and neglect the others. Life get imbalanced

    Mark reflects on Jim’s story about the wealthy woman who had no gratitude…not appreciation…no context. Politics took her down a one way street

    Mark lets the audience know what they can get from the guys and their frameworks. Practical experience coupled with trusted frameworks

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    29 分
  • The Freedom of Solitude: Evolving Beyond Our Old Personas
    2025/04/10

    Mark introduces the topics of solitude and one’s persona

    Jim jumps in to help contextualize this discussion

    Mark reads the definitions of “Persona” and “Solitude”

    Mark asks Jim about his trip

    Jim separates being alone for a few minutes from the very different version of a 7 day solo trip

    Jim has chosen solo trips in the last few years

    He reflects on how his roles and personas have changed as he’s aged

    He talks about not caring what others think and how freeing that is

    Mark reflects on the solitude that can from his divorce. He didn’t choose that but did choose how to respond to it

    He says he really enjoyed being alone for 10 years. He defines what he means…no committed relationship for 10 years. He talks about what solitude provided for him. Thoughts, ideas, gratitude, etc…

    Jim says he’s the best version of himself when he’s alone

    He’s grateful that his wife is supportive of these solo trips. She is encouraging now after understanding the value of solitude for her husband

    Jim feels that women don’t like to be alone and men are more likely to enjoy solitude

    Mark suggests that solitude brings out our human nature. Our true nature

    Jim shares the recognition of getting older. How we don’t look or feel the same as we used to

    He goes on to share details of his social interaction on one particular evening on the road

    Jim says there are many different movies going on at the same time

    Mark talks about looks and how young women don’t notice him any more…and it’s OK. Actually laughable

    Jim talks about being in the same locale at three different ages…young, a bit older and middle aged

    Both guys reflect on how young they feel versus how they look. It’s a wake up call every time he looks in a mirror. He talks about how he moves from one persona to the next (dad, son, pro, brother…)

    Jim talks about intentionally changing and updating our personal personas to remain authentic

    Jim thinks we hold a lot in and don’t always feel comfortable being real…vulnerable. We don’t want to offend

    Caring less about what other people think is critical to happiness. Moving on

    Jim brings up the value and contribution of giving off positive vibes

    Mark agrees but cautions about feeling responsible for other’s people happiness and then talks about his dad and the value of ignoring. The ability to ignore people and circumstances

    Mark asks Jim about turning 60

    Jim reflects on some of his experiences going back to places he went to as an older man. People are in a different place, different thoughts, different worldview

    He shares another story on another evening on the road

    Mark talks about how freeing it is to be around strangers. He feels braver. Less concerned about how strangers might feel about him

    Jim thinks most people want to engage, but many don’t

    Jim shares one of his stops at a property his dad left him. How different the place and people are now versus when he was young. How different he may have been had his family stayed and not moved to CA

    Mark thinks turning 60 has had a big impact on both guys. 60 triggers different roles and different views, different friendships

    Jim reflects on how industry and society have changed. The geeks aren’t running things anymore. Domain experts and solutions are more relevant than tech skills. Tech is tools. Problem solvers are in demand

    Jim talks about the evolving definition of what a man is. That became confusing and we stuck with our guns. Men were men and still are

    We’re proud that we didn’t cave in to the woke mob

    Mark share his process and how he begins every consultation with self reflection and he thinks people avoid self reflection because it’s hard/difficult

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    29 分
  • The Science of Self-Talk: How Thoughts Shape Our Reality
    2025/04/03

    Mark introduces the topic of the power of the mind and self-talk

    The idea that we now have science and data to support the value of positive talk, visualization and vibration in influencing our happiness and peace of mind

    Jim got the idea from Billy Carson’s appearance on Lewis Howe’s Greatness podcast

    Jim shares the story of how we met. He was struggling mentally and emotionally and had some evidence that concussions might be part of his challenge. In his research, he found me. He flew out to Orlando and we met. Jim tells his concussion story and the details of his journey toward a solution

    Jim sought a mixture of traditional medicine and alternative approaches (me)

    When Jim got to a point of resolution, he thought his journey was over

    It wasn’t. He then continued investigating. This podcast was part of it. He then share his take aways from the episode

    Mark ties himself in by sharing his own routine. Mark brings out the wheel and points to the self, self-awareness and self-reflection

    Mark shares his memory of sports psychology all the way back to little league and high school

    Jim talks about this…the “zone” and how Michael Jordan functioned at a different frequency than everyone else. He played in the zone

    Jim goes deeper into the science. Frequency and vibration

    Mark shares his routine, which includes, breath, visualization, meditation and pryer

    Small progress daily over time

    Jim talks about hi being an inventor. How no-one actually invents anything new…they pull stuff from the universe and calibrate and align it to make it unique and novel

    Mark jokes about how he used to doubt this stuff and how this stuff is mainstream now - external influences

    He now exercises his mind with routines daily. He is excited about having control over his own well being

    Jim gives an example of how our vibrations can be felt by others. We can vibrate to get others to shine

    Jim brings politics He shares what the leader of Iran said about Israel…it’s a mindset…an ideology and mindset

    He transitions into how these things come from past trauma unresolved

    Einstein - Life is an illusion

    Mark goes back to Jim’s statement about control. We can control our thoughts by doing the work. Self awareness and overcoming/surrendering our limiting beliefs

    Jim share his podcast guests reflection on how he changed his own life with affirmations and overcoming his own limiting beliefs

    Mark brings up Sam Harris - If we talked to others like we talk to ourselves, we’d get into a lot of fights. Because we are so mean to ourselves

    Jim brings in the power of self forgiveness thru affirmations

    Mark thinks history shows this work being done as far back as history is written

    Mark talks about the notion of control and how he didn’t feel he had control over his thoughts for most of his young life

    Jim feels like we are held back until we resolve these past traumas.

    Mark talks about how his kids started holding him accountable to his unconscious behaviors and limiting beliefs

    Jim also feels that objective 3rd parties are also very helpful with this stuff

    Jim shares the connection between stress and physical illness

    Mark talks about his dad’s health and emotional balance based on his faith and the absence of stress in his life based on a Higher Power

    Jim is somewhat envious of people that have true faith and he appreciates it more now

    Mark shares how important it has been for him to maintain his mental/emotional routine

    Mark shares his Oh God movie story

    Mark reminds us that we now have science to back all this stuff up

    Jim concludes with how our brains develop as kids through our 20’s. The guys joke about the stupidity of young men whose brains aren’t yet fully developed

    The clean slate of young mens brains

    Mark suggests that because there are so many credible sources of info on this, that we should all investigate this stuff more

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    35 分
  • How Sensitivity And Unconscious Bias Shape Us As Men
    2025/03/28
    We just started talking. No Intro! Mark brings up human nature. He suggests that men and women have unique natures as well He says recognizing and acknowledging human nature is necessary as part of any discussion of behavior Jim asks Mark his opinion about homosexuality Mark shares his ignorance and his opinion as well as his curiosity Mark brings up the Catholic Church Jim shares his significant skepticism about the Catholic church, but he doesn’t want to go any deeper So Mark shifts the topic to “standing”. Who has it, how we give it to people and how it impedes our progress He say we’re all judgmental and that it’s also part of human nature He brings up toxic bosses and personal accountability Jim brings up unconscious bias and the evolution of the podcast from a point of self awareness Jim shares his recent experience at a “Green build” event How did we all become “activists”? Mark says he thinks it comes from a need to belong and how human nature produces this need to belong to something Jim brings back up agency and specifically writing a book. He thinks all men have a story/book in them. Jim thinks this “contribution” need is also part of our nature Jim thinks it’s more a male than female need Mark thinks this is an interesting conversation Jim thinks men do things “in silence” and he ties that into one of the purposes of the Imperfect Mens Club Mark reflects on his own sensitivity. The disadvantages and the advantages. Jim looks for clarity about his sensitivity and Mark shares how his sensitivity has been a double edged sword Jim identifies what he thinks is the important part of being sensitive. It’s good, unless it keeps you from being functional Sensitivity and weakness are NOT the same Jim shares a story - about conversation with a woman, “don’t take it so personal”…”I take everything personal” Jim challenged her and she got a bit defensive and awkward Jim says he thinks we get softer as we age and Mark suggests some people do and some don’t You get bitter or you get better Mark loves the topic of sensitivity Jim says to be good at something you have to be sensitive to feedback Jim quotes about being respected versus liked Mark shares his experience seeing a quote from Al Capone about weakness Mark goes back to Jim’s point about being functional. Weakness is a problem when it keeps you from functioning Jim calls this “hypersensitivity” Mark shares his perspective on the different “stages” or “chapters” in his life and how he needed to adjust as life evolved He moved around a bit confused about his sensitivity Mark observes how he’s seen Jim evolve too “A good human is going to evolve” The other choice is misery. Bitter and better Jim. “We are all actors in the theater of life” Jim agrees - different roles at different stages Mark shifts to his recent “Out of body experience with a sound healing session” Both guys appreciate the topic and share their respective opinions about it Mark had 4 out of body experiences at 4 different ages of his life. He likens it to dreaming Mark was inclined to share his experience with certain friends, including Jim Mark talks about how this kind of event can be really great…or much less so Jim talks about Steve Job’s experience with meditative reflection and success Mark talks about his different reflections on different protocols of self reflection, like his breath work. He reflects on the time he went looking for a church and a yoga studio and the importance of resonating with instructors Jim shares more quotes Fast - alone. Far - go together “Don’t become addicted to your own struggles” “Everything is hard. If it’s not hard, you’re not trying hard enough Mark - “It’s the Cool thing about wisdom”. Anyone can be wise and say wise things in different ways Mark talks about getting advice from friends. Nice versus kind Jim cautions about getting advice from friends and family…”some of the worst advice you can get” Mark agrees but takes a slightly different approach. His father’s opinion about starting his own company
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    33 分
  • The Power of Agency: How Writing a Book Can Build Trust and Elevate Your Brand
    2025/03/24

    Mark introduces the topic of agency. Jim thinks Mark is a great example of what an agent is

    He reads a definition and adds some context to what an agent is and how he may, in fact, be one

    The value of having an objective third party negotiating on your behalf

    Jim thinks AI will make being an agent much more valuable

    He discusses the agents he uses. His patent agent, for example. Agents are not as close as we are to our capabilities and competencies

    Agents can be particularly helpful negotiating your price. What you’re worth

    He talks about his most recent projects to operate as an agent

    Jim shares his story about a meeting he had recently and how he’s being told he should write a book

    The value of having your own book

    He shares his “Greenbuild” story. What it’s like in the San Francisco Bay Area regarding diversity, women’s groups and other woke topics

    Jim thinks it would be great if we just got back to building things. Diversity on it’s own is a silly topic

    Jim shares his conversation with a grant writer…the importance of human interaction and how we are disconnecting from it

    She brought up the book writing topic

    Mark says he has also been told to write a book. He reflects on a couple of recent conversations. Both became about human interaction and the value of having an agent to move the professional ball forward. Objectivity alone can be very helpful. How powerful it is to have a 3rd party voice

    Mark talks about the value of authority/credibility that a book brings

    Jim asks Mark about how he works. He pokes at the details of how Mark chooses and helps people. He thinks we all underestimate our capability and willingness to help

    Our value goes well beyond our direct skill. Trust opens up those doors

    Mark shares how he has access to market data that might be worth even more than his coaching

    Jim cautions Mark that this knowledge is NOT FREE

    Second, he talks about IP and how valuable it is

    Jim puts on his agent cap and shares with Mark how he might be his agent

    Jim then goes into his opinion on AI and the creation content…podcasts, books, articles…everything

    Jim thinks AI create content “equality”

    Mark loves the contrarian approach to rules and ways of doing things

    Mark asks, “what am I worth?”

    Mark is convinced that Jim would ask for more than Mark would for himself

    Jim gives examples of agents we all work with

    Real estate agents, sports agents, career agents…

    He shares his pro baseball story about his friend the pro coach

    The $40 million dollar negotiation and the value of an agent in that negotiation

    Mark shares his perspective on the value of agency. He shares how helpful he can be to IT people who are mostly introverted

    Mark shares how candid and authentic approaches are so much more influential

    He shares his perspective on salespeople too

    Mark brings up helping friends and family and Jim cautions that they might be a little too close to help objectively

    Jim talks about being “unemployable”

    Mark shares the importance of messaging and how your “brand” fits in

    Jim gives us a bit more detail about his 3 recent requests for speaking/advice gigs

    Jim is wary of “big consulting firms” and Mark shares his perspective on this

    He talks about competing against big brands/logos/t-shits/reputations by being authentic and practical and trustworthy. Different ulterior motives

    Jim brings in the political agents who got it all wrong and are now wondering what to do next

    Mark shares his confusion about how these people/agents keep getting hired

    He also clarifies how powerful brand is and how clients without confidence hire brand simply to protect themselves. Momma duck and her ducklings

    Jim says the big ad agencies do the same thing

    Are the industries going away?

    If you can’t measure it, you can’t determine efficacy. Jim says AI will change this

    Mark - why do they hire the big known brand?

    It’s all changing

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    34 分