Amy reunites with her dear friend Dr. Sarah Michaud for a rich, emotional Boozeless Book Club conversation about Charlotte Kasl’s “Many Roads, One Journey.” Together they unpack fear-based systems, patriarchal conditioning, codependency, and the long-term work of building identity outside dogma. It’s honest, layered, and exactly the kind of dialogue that reminds you you’re not alone on your own recovery path.

Key Takeaways

• Kasl’s work invites women to question rigid systems—religion, recovery, and culture—that shape identity through fear and shame.

• Amy reflects on trading one dogma for another and how belonging once overrode her self-trust.

• They examine how AA slogans, spiritual axioms, and “my way or the highway” thinking can unintentionally reinforce fear.

• Codependency runs deep, especially for women socialized to prioritize harmony over needs.

• Recovery is never one-size-fits-all—every person deserves a path that supports autonomy, dignity, and choice.

Timestamped Key Moments

• [00:00:00] Amy reflects on dogmatic rules, belonging, and fear-based conditioning.
• [00:01:00] Amy welcomes listeners back and introduces Dr. Sarah.
• [00:02:00] Amy discusses how she pushed Sarah into reading the book.
• [00:03:00] Amy reacts to the density of Kasl’s work.
• [00:04:00] Sarah connects the author’s religious background to her rebellious spirit.

Resource Links

• Many Roads, One Journey by Charlotte Davis Kasl

• Women, Sex, and Addiction by Charlotte Davis Kasl

• Leaving CrazyTown Podcast

Episode Description

In Part 2 of this two-part series, Amy Liz Harrison continues her powerful conversation with spiritual director Anne-Marie Cribben, creator of The Wellspring, a yearlong Celtic recovery journey. Together they dive deeper into ancestral healing, the courage to rest, and how even small rituals—a Popsicle in front of the fan, a cup of tea—can reconnect us to our worth and wonder. This episode is a gentle rebellion against hustle culture and a love letter to curiosity, self-compassion, and legacy in recovery.

• Rest and reflection are radical acts in a productivity-obsessed world.

• Generational trauma is real—and so is generational healing.

• Small rituals can become profound spiritual practices.

• Curiosity, not control, opens the door to deeper recovery.

• Living a life you’re proud to die of means honoring presence over perfection.
  

[00:25:00] The Wellspring in practice: healing through the seasons

[00:35:00] Generational trauma and rediscovering ancestral medicine

[00:44:00] Popsicles, rest, and redefining summer as sacred

[00:50:00] Permission to be still, curious, and imperfect

[00:58:00] Living a life you’re proud to die of — the legacy of recovery

• Guest: Anne-Marie Cribben – Thirsty for Wonder

• The Wellspring – Celtic Recovery Program

• Newsletter: Sign up via ThirstyForWonder.com

• Amy Liz Harrison: amylizharrison.com

In Part 1 of this heartfelt two-part conversation, Amy Liz Harrison welcomes spiritual director and recovery coach Anne-Marie Cribben to explore how ritual, rhythm, and Celtic wisdom can transform recovery. Anne-Marie shares her journey from Irish Catholic roots and burnout to a life of sacred pacing and deep self-compassion. Together, they unpack what it means to create safe and brave spaces—and why slowing down might just be the most powerful form of healing.

• Healing begins when we create safe and brave spaces for truth.

• Rituals aren’t religious—they’re restorative practices for everyday life.

• Recovery thrives when we move “at the rate of trust.”

• The Celtic calendar invites us to align with nature’s rhythm, not hustle culture.

• Compassion replaces shame as the true measure of progress.
  

[00:02:00] Amy shares how Anne-Marie’s work inspired her through ritual[00:06:00] Creating safe and brave spaces in recovery[00:09:00] Anne-Marie’s story: Irish roots, Catholic upbringing, and the illusion of “glamorous” drinking[00:12:00] The turning point — from burnout to sobriety through compassion[00:16:00] Introducing The Wellspring: recovery in rhythm with the Celtic calendar[00:22:00] The radical wisdom of rest and release

• Guest: Anne-Marie Cribben – Thirsty for Wonder

• The Wellspring – Celtic Recovery Program

• Quit Like a Woman by Holly Whitaker

TakeawaysKey TimestampsNotable Resources & Guest LinksAmy Liz Harrison: amylizharrison.com

In this Boozeless Bookclub edition of Eternally Amy, Amy Liz Harrison and Dr. Sarah Michaud unpack All the Way to the River by Elizabeth Gilbert — diving deep into the messy, magnificent world of codependency, grief, and emotional recovery. From laughter to loss, this conversation reminds us that healing isn’t about control — it’s about awareness, compassion, and connection. Expect humor, raw honesty, and soul-level truth bombs that hit close to home for anyone navigating sobriety, spirituality, or self-discovery.

• Grief is a teacher you don’t choose — but it changes you forever.

• Literature as therapy: Stories can reveal our own denial and hope.

• Codependency can kill people — but awareness can save them.

• Humor and truth coexist: Laughter keeps the healing honest.Recovery is not about control; it’s about connection.
  

• [00:00] – Amy welcomes Dr. Sarah and introduces Boozeless Bookclub

• [00:05] – “Codependency can kill people” — the truth behind the patterns

• [00:20] – The intersection of addiction, love, and literature

• [00:33] – “It took separation for me to wake up” — Dr. Sarah’s turning point
  

• [00:47] – “Grief is a teacher I never wanted” — Amy’s story of loss and growth

• [00:55] – Final reflection on recovery, awareness, and compassion
  

• Dr. Sarah Michaud: Instagram | Book: Co Crazy

• Amy Liz Harrison: amylizharrison.com | @amylizharrison

TakeawaysKey TimestampsResources & LinksBook Discussed: All the Way to the River by Elizabeth Gilbert

In this candid solo episode, Amy Liz Harrison opens up about an 18-month journey with a mysterious eye condition that tested her patience, safety, and self-advocacy. From lash glue allergies to medical gaslighting, Amy draws powerful parallels between eye health and recovery, reminding us that getting to the root—not just treating the symptoms—matters most.

Takeaways

• Why self-advocacy with doctors is critical, especially for women.
• How recurring health issues mirror recovery lessons: root causes vs. surface symptoms.
• The connection between frustration, aging, and grace in sobriety.
• What almost causing a car accident taught Amy about prioritizing health.
• The importance of finding professionals who truly listen.

Key Timestamps

• [00:02:00] — Lash glue allergies, DIY extensions, and the struggle with deep-set eyes.
• [00:07:00] — The onset of recurring “weepy eye” flareups and medical dismissals.
• [00:14:00] — Recovery wisdom applied to health: treating root causes, not symptoms.
• [00:18:00] — A near car accident as a wake-up call to take her vision seriously.
• [00:25:00] — Finally finding a doctor who listened and offered real solutions.
• [00:27:00] — Sobriety lesson: follow directions, don’t go rogue in early recovery.

Notable Resources / Guest Links

Amy Liz Harrison Website: www.amylizharrison.com

Follow Amy on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Facebook: @amylizharrison

Books by Amy: Eternally Expecting & Eternally Awkward

What happens when you open old wounds to write your life story? For Jason Mayo, author of “In Case of Emergency Break Childhood”, the process was nothing short of gutting—and ultimately cleansing. In this heartfelt conversation, Jason sits down with Amy Liz Harrison to talk about writing his debut memoir, navigating recovery, and rediscovering the power of storytelling.

Jason shares how his early “drinking history” writing assignment in sobriety became the seed for his book, why trauma is often hidden in plain sight, and how recovery allowed him to reconnect with his past in order to live fully in the present.

This episode is raw, real, and full of laughter, tears, and a reminder that telling the truth—even when it hurts—is what sets us free.

5 Takeaways

• Writing about the past can feel like reopening old wounds, but it can also be profoundly cleansing.

• Trauma doesn’t always look like we expect—divorce, loneliness, and shame are just as impactful as big, obvious events.

• Sharing your story in recovery creates connection and helps others feel less alone.

• You don’t need to be a “writer” to tell your truth—if you can talk, you can write.

• Healing often comes from perspective: looking back with empathy for your younger self.

Timestamped Key Moments

• [00:02:00] Amy gets emotional introducing Jason’s memoir and why it touched her so deeply.

• [00:10:00] Jason on the year-and-a-half journey of writing his memoir and rediscovering old memories.

• [00:20:00] Why Jason shifted from “recovering quietly” to “recovering out loud” through writing.

• [00:30:00] Writing as therapy? Jason explains why it wasn’t cathartic—but it was cleansing.

• [00:36:00] The hidden face of trauma and Jason’s revelation through the ACEs test.

• [00:53:00] The wild coincidence: Jason and Debbie Gibson, high school classmates, both release memoirs on the same day.

Notable Resources / Guest Links

• Purchase Jason’s Memoir: In Case of Emergency Break Childhood: https://a.co/d/i0xY0h6

• Jason’s Website: https://sobernotsubtle.com/

• The Sober Curator (where Jason is a contributing writer): thesobercurator.com

• Follow Jason on Instagram: @sobernotsubtle

• Jason’s Books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B08K57ST7H/allbooks

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Eternally Amy is the courageous and candid podcast hosted by Amy Liz Harrison—a Gen X, sober mom of eight who went from jail to joy. Each week, Amy shares raw stories of recovery, parenting, mental health, faith, and creativity. Expect laughter, honesty, and a safe space to explore what it means to live in radical authenticity.

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“Writing your story isn’t always cathartic—it can be gut-wrenching. But as Jason Mayo shared with me on Eternally Amy, it’s also deeply cleansing. His memoir, In Case of Emergency Break Childhood, digs into trauma, recovery, and rediscovering empathy for your younger self.

Our conversation reminded me: healing often comes when we stop hiding, start telling the truth, and allow others to see themselves in our story.

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In this heartfelt and laughter-filled conversation, Amy sits down with clinical psychologist, author, and sober powerhouse Dr. Sarah Michaud, PsyD. With over 30 years of experience in addiction and codependency treatment, Dr. Sarah brings both professional wisdom and deeply personal stories—including the hard truth of navigating her husband’s relapse after decades of sobriety. Together, Amy and Dr. Sarah dig into the subtle (and sneaky!) ways codependency shows up in everyday life, from parenting to people-pleasing to choosing the “right” sandwich.

This episode is an equal parts therapy session, comedy hour, and recovery roadmap. Whether you’re navigating sobriety, healing old wounds, or learning how to finally put yourself first, this conversation will leave you nodding, laughing, and maybe even forgiving yourself a little more.

5 Key Takeaways

• Codependency often begins with dismissing our own needs to focus on others—sometimes in the smallest ways, like food choices.
• Recovery is about learning to identify and voice your own feelings, even when it feels uncomfortable.
• Fear—of rejection, being misunderstood, or not being safe—often sits at the root of codependent behaviors.
• Parenting can resurface old wounds, but awareness creates space to respond with compassion instead of projection.
• Forgiving ourselves is an essential part of true healing and maintaining sobriety.

Timestamped Key Moments

• [00:06:30] Dr. Sarah on how women are socialized to prioritize others—and the dangers of losing connection to self.
• [00:13:00] The irony of codependency: trying to “save” others only creates distance.
• [00:22:00] Amy shares her event-anxiety story and how fear of safety shows up in sobriety.

• [00:37:00] The childhood memory that shaped Amy’s fear of being misunderstood.
• [00:53:00] Dr. Sarah’s hilarious “fancy food basket” story—a codependency trap in real-time.

Notable Resources / Guest Links

Dr. Sarah Michaud, PsyD’s book: Co-Crazy: One Psychologist’s Recovery from Codependency and Addiction

Connect with Dr. Sarah via The Sober Curator

Get Dr. Sarah’s Book “Co-Crazy” on Amazon

Follow Amy Liz Harrison on Instagram, Facebook & LinkedIn @amylizharrison

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What do you do when someone says your singing voice sounds like a dying moose? Or when a stranger at church pats your head to check for horns? For Jesse Butterworth—pastor, musician, and longtime friend of Amy Liz Harrison—criticism has been a constant companion.

In this raw and surprisingly funny conversation, Amy and Jesse unpack why criticism stings, how to tell the difference between critique and cruelty, and why sometimes the most powerful thing you can say is simply: “That hurts my feelings.” From the pitfalls of passive-aggressive culture to the healing power of forgiveness, Jesse reminds us that being misunderstood is inevitable—but losing yourself doesn’t have to be.

Resources & Guest Links

• • Guest: Jesse Butterworth – Pastor, musician, storyteller. https://www.jessebutterworth.com/
  • Book Mentioned: ⁠Radical Candor⁠ by Kim Scott

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