Amy reunites with her dear friend Dr. Sarah Michaud for a rich, emotional Boozeless Book Club conversation about Charlotte Kasl’s “Many Roads, One Journey.” Together they unpack fear-based systems, patriarchal conditioning, codependency, and the long-term work of building identity outside dogma. It’s honest, layered, and exactly the kind of dialogue that reminds you you’re not alone on your own recovery path.

Key Takeaways

• Kasl’s work invites women to question rigid systems—religion, recovery, and culture—that shape identity through fear and shame.

• Amy reflects on trading one dogma for another and how belonging once overrode her self-trust.

• They examine how AA slogans, spiritual axioms, and “my way or the highway” thinking can unintentionally reinforce fear.

• Codependency runs deep, especially for women socialized to prioritize harmony over needs.

• Recovery is never one-size-fits-all—every person deserves a path that supports autonomy, dignity, and choice.

Timestamped Key Moments

• [00:00:00] Amy reflects on dogmatic rules, belonging, and fear-based conditioning.
• [00:01:00] Amy welcomes listeners back and introduces Dr. Sarah.
• [00:02:00] Amy discusses how she pushed Sarah into reading the book.
• [00:03:00] Amy reacts to the density of Kasl’s work.
• [00:04:00] Sarah connects the author’s religious background to her rebellious spirit.

Resource Links

• Many Roads, One Journey by Charlotte Davis Kasl

• Women, Sex, and Addiction by Charlotte Davis Kasl

• Leaving CrazyTown Podcast

Episode Description

In Part 2 of this two-part series, Amy Liz Harrison continues her powerful conversation with spiritual director Anne-Marie Cribben, creator of The Wellspring, a yearlong Celtic recovery journey. Together they dive deeper into ancestral healing, the courage to rest, and how even small rituals—a Popsicle in front of the fan, a cup of tea—can reconnect us to our worth and wonder. This episode is a gentle rebellion against hustle culture and a love letter to curiosity, self-compassion, and legacy in recovery.

• Rest and reflection are radical acts in a productivity-obsessed world.

• Generational trauma is real—and so is generational healing.

• Small rituals can become profound spiritual practices.

• Curiosity, not control, opens the door to deeper recovery.

• Living a life you’re proud to die of means honoring presence over perfection.
  

[00:25:00] The Wellspring in practice: healing through the seasons

[00:35:00] Generational trauma and rediscovering ancestral medicine

[00:44:00] Popsicles, rest, and redefining summer as sacred

[00:50:00] Permission to be still, curious, and imperfect

[00:58:00] Living a life you’re proud to die of — the legacy of recovery

• Guest: Anne-Marie Cribben – Thirsty for Wonder

• The Wellspring – Celtic Recovery Program

• Newsletter: Sign up via ThirstyForWonder.com

• Amy Liz Harrison: amylizharrison.com

In Part 1 of this heartfelt two-part conversation, Amy Liz Harrison welcomes spiritual director and recovery coach Anne-Marie Cribben to explore how ritual, rhythm, and Celtic wisdom can transform recovery. Anne-Marie shares her journey from Irish Catholic roots and burnout to a life of sacred pacing and deep self-compassion. Together, they unpack what it means to create safe and brave spaces—and why slowing down might just be the most powerful form of healing.

• Healing begins when we create safe and brave spaces for truth.

• Rituals aren’t religious—they’re restorative practices for everyday life.

• Recovery thrives when we move “at the rate of trust.”

• The Celtic calendar invites us to align with nature’s rhythm, not hustle culture.

• Compassion replaces shame as the true measure of progress.
  

[00:02:00] Amy shares how Anne-Marie’s work inspired her through ritual[00:06:00] Creating safe and brave spaces in recovery[00:09:00] Anne-Marie’s story: Irish roots, Catholic upbringing, and the illusion of “glamorous” drinking[00:12:00] The turning point — from burnout to sobriety through compassion[00:16:00] Introducing The Wellspring: recovery in rhythm with the Celtic calendar[00:22:00] The radical wisdom of rest and release

• Guest: Anne-Marie Cribben – Thirsty for Wonder

• The Wellspring – Celtic Recovery Program

• Quit Like a Woman by Holly Whitaker

TakeawaysKey TimestampsNotable Resources & Guest LinksAmy Liz Harrison: amylizharrison.com