Think restaurant financing has to mean crippling debt or invasive investors? Think again. In this weeks conversation, Kyle sits down with Johann Moonesinghe, founder and CEO of InKind, a revolutionary financing model reshaping how restaurants grow and succeed. Johann shares his unique journey from tech entrepreneur to restaurant owner, and reveals how InKind has infused nearly $300 million into top-tier restaurants without the strings attached by traditional lending. From creating vibrant dining experiences at his own restaurants to funding celebrated groups like José Andrés, Johann is redefining financial sustainability in hospitality.

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• Evaluating alternative financing solutions to boost your restaurant's profitability.

• Understanding the true cost of traditional lending vs. revenue-based models.

• How to strategically use funding to enhance guest experience and grow sustainably.

• Pitfalls to avoid when choosing financial partners for your restaurant.

🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

• Restaurant owners frustrated with traditional financing methods.

• Operators seeking innovative solutions for sustainable growth.

• Investors and entrepreneurs looking to understand cutting-edge financial strategies in hospitality.

• Anyone passionate about the future of restaurant growth and sustainability.

  
  

  Connect with Johann on LinkedIn:

  https://www.linkedin.com/in/moonesinghe/

  Check out InKind Capital

  https://inkindcapital.com/

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Is it time to rethink how restaurants are built—literally from the ground up?

On this episode Kyle sits down with Nipun Sharma, CEO and co-founder of Appetronix, to talk about how robotics, AI, and first-principles thinking are completely transforming what a “restaurant” can be. With nearly two decades of global food experience and a sharp eye for operational pain points, Nipun is leading the charge with fully autonomous restaurant pods that slash labor, rent, and delivery inefficiencies—all while delivering chef-quality food.

From launching in Columbus Airport with Donato's Pizza to raising funds in a post-hype market, Nipun shares how thinking like a restaurant operator—not a tech bro—is what sets Appetronix apart.

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• The future of food service isn’t Jetsons—it’s profit-driven design

• Automating a bad system won’t fix the economics—start from zero

• Use AI for food quality, inventory prediction, and real estate strategy

• Choose launch partners based on food credibility, not novelty

• Embrace automation as an extension of hospitality, not a replacement

  
  

  🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

  • Franchise executives exploring automation for expansion

  • Real estate developers seeking 24/7 food solutions

  • Restaurant tech investors evaluating next-gen platforms

  • Operators struggling with labor costs, late-night coverage, or staffing gaps

  • Food founders rethinking traditional kitchens

    
    

    Connect with Nipun on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/nipun-sharma-to/

    
    

    Appetronix Website

    https://appetronix.com/

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From a challenging upbringing to becoming the CEO and founder of Aspire 2B Hospitality Group, Chris Olexa shares his entrepreneurial journey. Chris dives deep into his franchising experiences, with Quiznos and Buffalo Wild Wings, offering practical insights and hard-earned lessons. He emphasizes resilience, the significant influence of sports on his business mindset, and strategic methods for evaluating franchise opportunities. Chris candidly discusses balancing ambition with family responsibilities, navigating the complexities of franchise real estate, and maintaining strong leadership and team engagement. Packed with real-world advice, this episode is essential for anyone interested in getting ahead in the franchise space.

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• Conduct comprehensive market analyses before franchise expansion

• Embrace resilience to effectively handle business setbacks

• Plan carefully to balance aggressive growth with financial stability

• Foster a strong team environment for sustained operational success

🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

• Aspiring and current restaurant franchise owners

• Franchisors dealing with expansion and real estate challenges

• Entrepreneurs seeking advice on balancing work-life dynamics

• Individuals interested in applying sports psychology to business

  Connect with Chris on LinkedIn:

  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-olexa-2580151a6/

  Aspire 2B Podcast

  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/aspire2b-podcast/id1657424112

  Follow Aspire 2B on Instagram

  https://www.instagram.com/aspire2bhospitality/

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From courtroom to kitchen: in this episode, Kyle sits down with Denise Tran, the visionary founder and CEO who traded her law career for the high-stakes world of restaurant entrepreneurship. Hear the raw, unfiltered story behind Bun Mee's journey from passionate concept to scalable franchise powerhouse. Denise pulls back the curtain on how her Vietnamese heritage shapes every aspect of her business, the unexpected challenges of airport locations, and the critical systems that transformed her personal passion into a replicable model. If you've ever dreamed of turning your cultural food heritage into a thriving restaurant brand, this conversation delivers both the inspiration and the practical blueprint you've been searching for.

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• How to define your purpose before launching a restaurant concept
• Critical steps for standardizing operations when preparing to scale
• Financial preparation strategies that prevent common growth disasters
• The real estate lessons Denise learned the hard way (so you don't have to)
• How to navigate market differentiation in an increasingly competitive landscape

🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

• First-time restaurant entrepreneurs looking for a realistic roadmap
• Established operators considering the franchise model
• Restaurant owners navigating cultural representation in their concepts
• Anyone interested in the intersection of personal heritage and commercial food
• Operators evaluating airport or non-traditional location opportunities

Connect with Denise on LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/denise-tran-aa97734/

Follow Bun Mee on IG:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/denise-tran-aa97734/

Interested in learning more about becoming a franchisee at Bun Mee?

https://bunmee.co/franchise

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Is your personal brand helping or hurting your restaurant's growth? In this candid conversation, Kyle sits down with Josh Halpern, the driving force behind Big Chicken, to explore the powerful intersection of personal branding and franchise success. From navigating the influence of celebrity partner Shaquille O'Neal to making tough decisions about franchisee selection, Josh shares unfiltered insights on building an authentic leadership presence that resonates with partners, customers, and communities. Whether you're a single-unit operator or managing multiple concepts, this episode reveals why your personal brand might be the most undervalued asset in your restaurant portfolio.

Key Conversations:

• How authenticity in leadership creates accountability throughout an organization
• The delicate balance of managing your personal brand alongside your restaurant brand
• Why shared values trump experience in franchisee selection
• How Shaquille O'Neal's personal brand influences Big Chicken's business decisions
• The critical role community connection plays in sustainable franchise growth

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• Practical approaches to developing an authentic leadership presence
• Common personal branding pitfalls that restaurant leaders should avoid
• Strategic real estate considerations that align with your brand values
• How to leverage your personal presence to strengthen business relationships
• Techniques for maintaining open communication across multi-unit operations

🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

• Restaurant owners looking to strengthen their leadership presence
• Franchise operators navigating growth challenges
• Multi-unit leaders building systems for communication and accountability
• Independent restaurateurs considering franchise opportunities
• Anyone interested in the human side of restaurant business success

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Think finding the perfect restaurant location is just about foot traffic and rent? Think again. In this revealing Deal Diaries episode, Kyle pulls back the curtain on the high-stakes world of commercial real estate for franchisees, taking you behind the scenes of a challenging Long Island City deal. From soaring rents to new development complexities, this real-world case study showcases the unexpected obstacles that can derail even the most promising location. Whether you're a seasoned operator or planning your first expansion, this episode delivers invaluable insights on navigating today's competitive real estate landscape.

Key Conversations:

• The unique challenges franchisees face in premium urban markets• How rising rent trends are reshaping location strategies in NYC• The hidden complications of securing space in new developments• Why timing and market knowledge can make or break a deal• The strategic pivot that led to exploring Brooklyn alternatives

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• How to properly assess if a hot market is actually right for your concept
• Tactics for strategic positioning when negotiating in competitive areas
• Red flags to watch for when considering spaces in new developments
• When to walk away from a location that looks perfect on paper
• How to adapt your expansion strategy when market conditions shift
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🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

• Franchisees planning their next location
• Independent operators considering expansion
• Restaurant groups evaluating new market entry
• Real estate decision-makers in the food service industry
• Anyone fascinated by the real-world complexities of restaurant deals

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Ever had that perfect space slip through your fingers? In this raw and revealing episode, Kyle takes us behind the scenes of a deal that went from "sure thing" to "sh*t canned" in a blink of an eye. It's a nail-biting journey through the trenches that'll definitely have you shouting advice at your speakers – complete with unexpected plot twists, funding f*ck ups, and a landlord who wasn't exactly sitting by the phone. If you've ever wondered why securing that perfect location feels like an emotional rollercoaster, this story exposes all the thrills, spills, and behind-the-scenes drama that never makes it into the lease agreement.

Key Conversations:

• Why timing is everything when dealing with NYC landlords (especially post-pandemic)• The funding delay domino effect that ruins more deals than you'd imagine• How competing concepts swoop in when you're stuck in decision paralysis• The crucial negotiation moments where everything change

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• The "golden window" for making decisions in competitive markets
• How to keep landlords engaged when facing inevitable delays
• Alternative funding strategies when traditional methods move too slowly
• The communication approach that keeps deals alive during uncertainty

🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

• First-time restaurant operators navigating lease negotiations
• Franchisees expanding into competitive markets
• Restaurant groups looking to avoid costly real estate mistakes
• Anyone who's ever lost a perfect location and wondered why

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  Kyle

Still think AI is just for tech bros and Silicon Valley startups? In this episode Kyle breaks down how artificial intelligence is quietly revolutionizing restaurants right now - from mom-and-pops to major chains. Forget the hype; this is more than just messing with ChatGPT, we're talking practical, profit-boosting processes that are changing how the smartest operators run their kitchens, manage their teams, and provide better customer service. If you've been dismissing AI at your restaurant, this episode might be your much-needed wake-up call.

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Connect with Kyle on Instagram or shoot him an email at kyle@four-turns.com for real-time advice on your franchise real estate journey.

💡 Actionable Takeaways:

• Where to start with AI if you're completely new to it (without breaking the bank)
• How to evaluate which AI solutions actually deliver ROI for your specific operation
• The right questions to ask vendors when they pitch you AI products
• Common implementation mistakes that doom restaurant AI projects

🔥 Notable Quote:"The restaurants winning with AI aren't the ones with the fanciest tech - they're the ones solving real operational headaches that have been bleeding money for years. This isn't about robots flipping burgers; it's about finally fixing the broken parts of our business model."

🎯 Who This Episode Is For:

• Restaurant operators tired of hearing about AI but unsure what it means for them
• Multi-unit leaders looking for competitive advantages in operations
• Independent restaurateurs wanting affordable tech solutions
• Anyone who wants to understand the future of restaurant operations

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  Here's why: Each review not only makes our day (seriously, we screenshot and share them with the whole team), but it also helps new listeners discover Closed Monday when they're searching for restaurant growth content.

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