If you listen to only one episode, let it be this one. This conversation is the spine of the podcast—the one that retroactively reframes the entire season.
Episode 10 is all about how we can unf*ck ourselves by uniting the personal and the political, the internal and the external, the somatic and the systemic.
If you’ve been swimming in questions, navigating burnout, or feeling the ache of trying to make yourself fit inside a collapsing system—this one’s for you.
I finally explore in the podcast the two distinct ways of knowing I’ve been exploring and writing about on Substack— Grid and Ocean Logic. As mentioned, I’m just building on the work of many others which are referenced below and in the episode.
Grid Logic is the hidden internalized operating system of empire. Also, algorithm daddy. Binary, rigid, control-based. It says: define, decide, dominate—or disappear.
It demands legibility, performance, and certainty—because its survival depends on keeping things fixed, ranked, profitable and extractable.
It’s the voice that says “be clear or be discarded.”
It’s the nervous system stuck in hypervigilance.
It’s the checklist of what counts as success.
It’s the fear that if you can’t explain it, it’s not real.
It’s survival, but at the cost of aliveness.
Ocean Logic is the deeper, older way of knowing. It’s quantum physics.
Nonlinear, somatic, relational.
It says: feel, notice, allow, listen—then choose.
It doesn’t need to collapse paradox or erase ambiguity to be at peace.
It’s the body’s quiet knowing before the mind catches up.
It’s the space between words where truth lives.
It’s what allows contradiction to become compost.
It’s not about rejecting structure—it’s about finding rhythm.
It’s not about bypassing discomfort—it’s about staying close to what’s real.
It’s presence. It’s multiplicity. It’s the inner logic of liberation.
Through stories, reflection, and frameworks—not as prescriptions but as invitations—we explore how these two logics shape everything: time, self-worth, productivity, capitalism, care, and love.
I’m trying to give language to what you may have felt but not totally been able to name— or maybe you have and this deepens or expands that. It’s for anyone ready to soften out of over-functioning, trust their body’s knowing, loosen the grip of performance, and find their own rhythm in this holy shit show we find ourselves wading through.
And we don’t stop at the binary. We explore what becomes possible when Grid and Ocean Logic are held in relationship—when structure and fluidity, intellect and intuition, resistance and receptivity get to dance.
Let me clear—this is not self-fucking-help. This is self-remembrance.
xSylvia
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The essay’s I wrote and reference in the episode:
https://wedontknowwithsylvia.substack.com/p/grid-logic-vs-ocean-logic-fck-the
https://wedontknowwithsylvia.substack.com/p/ocean-logic-language-and-lineage
bell hooks, Yearning: Race, Gender, and Cultural Politics (South End Press, 1990), especially the essay “Choosing the Margin as a Space of Radical Openness.”
Gloria Anzaldúa, Borderlands/La Frontera: The New Mestiza (Aunt Lute Books, 1987).
Ermanno Bencivenga, “Oceanic Logic” in Theories of the Logos (Springer, 2017).
Alan Watts, The Way of Zen (Pantheon, 1957); also from various lectures and writings including Still the Mind and Eastern Wisdom, Modern Life.
Michel Foucault, works on power/knowledge including Discipline and Punish and The History of Sexuality.
Jack Halberstam, The Queer Art of Failure (Duke University Press, 2011).
Also deeply influenced by:
Queer theory
Somatic and trauma-informed healing
Mysticism, recovery frameworks, and decolonial embodiment practices