Fitz Cahall is the cofounder of Duct Tape Then Beer, and the creator of The Dirtbag Diaries and Climbing Gold with Alex Honnold. We talked about the early days of the internet, what podcasting was like in 2007, being on the fringe, storytelling, virtual reality, spending your time on the right things, the unglamorous parts of our work, results vs. success, his new book States of Adventure, and much more!

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Intro

(00:02:30) – A typical workday

(00:06:32) – Early days of the internet

(00:10:12) – Starting to climb

(00:14:45) – Writing for outdoor magazines

(00:19:48) – The fringe

(00:22:42) – Creating the Dirtbag Diaries

(00:33:40) – Storytelling

(00:38:08) – Podcasting in 2007

(00:50:47) – Early video podcasts

(00:55:32) – Virtual reality

(01:02:48) – Being pro but not fancy

(01:05:45) – Choosing stories

(01:13:19) – His new book

(01:18:04) – A Lifeline Home

(01:23:20) – States of Adventure

(01:35:54) – My own plans for a book

(01:42:23) – Taking authorship of your time

(01:50:25) – Spending time on the right things

(01:56:09) – The unglamorous parts

(02:03:20) – Giving yourself space

(02:12:45) – Uberism & mediocrity

(02:17:24) – Results vs. success

(02:20:20) – Climbing Gold & the Olympics

(02:28:46) – Wrap up

Mat Wright returns to the podcast to talk about his send of ‘Rhapsody’! We talked about the emotional dip after a hard send, the power of letting things come to you, making your own luck, patience as a tactic, top-down projecting, feeding our internal climbing algorithms, his process and how it felt to send, his next project, learning how to take the pressure off, and much more!

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Intro

(00:03:16) – Catch up and self-coaching

(00:08:58) – The dip after a hard send

(00:11:57) – Letting things come to you

(00:15:28) – His approach to ‘Rhapsody’ E11

(00:21:33) – Mindset and preparation

(00:24:22) – Making your own luck

(00:27:01) – Patience as a tactic

(00:31:51) – Top-down projecting

(00:36:15) – Feeding the climbing algorithm

(00:39:57) – Self 1 and self 2

(00:41:37) – The send

(00:44:54) – The process

(00:51:17) – The emotions after the send

(00:54:57) – Mat’s next project

(00:59:09) – Not taking it quite so seriously

(01:03:08) – Taking the pressure off

(01:11:00) – Taking time off

(01:18:37) – Less vs. more

(01:24:07) – Wrap up

Dr. David Spiegel is a Stanford psychiatrist and one of the world’s most respected experts in the field of hypnosis. We talked about how our minds can make our bodies feel better, how hypnosis has helped his clients, why hypnosis is a good fit for climbers, breathing exercises for relaxation or focus, his new Reveri App, and much more. Dr. Spiegel does a self-hypnosis session with Steven to relieve stress and anxiety and you can follow along!

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Intro

(00:02:46) – Dr. Spiegel’s background

(00:08:51) – My experience with Reveri

(00:10:45) – Trying out being different

(00:14:47) – Compassion for your body

(00:16:35) – The stage hypnosis hustle

(00:18:58) – Hypnotizability

(00:23:51) – Cognitive flexibility

(00:25:36) – The long-term effects of self-hypnosis

(00:30:21) – Hypnosis is gaining control

(00:36:31) – Is hypnotizability learnable?

(00:45:20) – Climbing styles and hypnotizability

(00:46:48) – Hypnotizability Test

(00:57:55) – Discussing my results

(01:00:10) – Anxiety

(01:01:48) – Novelty, memory, and visualization

(01:07:30) – More about hypnotizability

(01:13:52) – Hypnosis as a tool

(01:17:03) – Relieve Stress Hypnosis Session

(01:31:49) – Debrief of our session

(01:34:25) – Explaining the ritual

(01:38:45) – The Reveri App

(01:42:15) – How climbers should use the app

(01:47:14) – Breathing exercises

(01:54:19) – Putting it all together

(01:56:31) – Final thoughts

This is a full bonus episode for Patrons! Maddy and I catch up about our weekend sends, Maddy shares a few key nuggets from our main episode, and then gives us a 2-hour masterclass in endurance training! Listen to the end for three free endurance protocols from Lattice's new online course that you can use in your training.

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Our weekends

(00:07:30) – Key takeaways from our main episode

(00:40:45) – A masterclass in endurance training

Maddy Cope is a world-class rock climber and the head of education for Lattice Training. We talked about Maddy’s transition from dancing to climbing, living in a shack in the woods in Chamonix, and lessons from her personal reflections on climbing. We also talked about Lattice’s new online training course that Maddy was in charge of creating and gave a discount for listeners!

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Intro

(00:04:09) – Food poisoning in the van

(00:09:03) – Home wall training

(00:13:59) – Overview

(00:15:49) – Dancing to climbing

(00:20:35) – Warrington

(00:27:31) – The Cham Shack

(00:34:57) – Discomfort

(00:36:19) – Comfort creep

(00:48:28) – Pleasure pointing

(00:54:08) – Being your biggest supporter

(01:05:22) – The joy of missing out

(01:11:40) – Not having a bucket list

(01:18:12) – Quitting social media and sponsorship

(01:22:20) – Half thereness

(01:26:11) – British over-modesty

(01:49:54) – Getting into training

(01:55:30) – Maddy’s role with Lattice

(01:57:46) – Lattice’s new training course

(02:07:47) – Who should buy the course?

(02:16:45) – Online vs. in-person coaching

(02:25:21) – Wrap up and discount code

(02:30:18) – Identifying blind spots

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Nathan Williams is obsessed with ‘Return of the Sleepwalker’ 9A/V17, and estimates he has spent 100+ days trying it. We talked about getting mentored by Jimmy Webb and Kasia Pietras and sending his first V10 within one year of climbing, why he took a year off, falling in love with ROTS, how to stay psyched after bad days, friction control, climbing with a purpose, gaining legendary finger strength in a few minutes per week, static feats of strength, and much more!

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Intro

(00:02:50) – Gaming

(00:05:13) – Overview

(00:06:52) – The luckiest intro to climbing

(00:11:12) – His first V10

(00:15:20) – Making the jump to V15/16

(00:17:38) – ‘Sleepwalker’

(00:19:53) – The birth of ‘Return of the Sleepwalker’

(00:21:45) – Getting obsessed

(00:25:31) – What makes a good session

(00:28:02) – Staying psyched after bad days

(00:30:51) – Friction control

(00:34:46) – Bad tactics

(00:39:15) – Feeling strong

(00:41:17) – No regrets

(00:45:27) – ROTS as a board climb

(00:50:34) – Training for ROTS

(00:56:33) – Nathan’s one-arm hang workout

(01:01:51) – One-arm hangs vs. lifting from the ground

(01:05:43) – More finger training

(01:09:04) – Micros and finger anatomy

(01:11:47) – Nathan’s climbing style

(01:24:22) – Static projects

(01:26:01) – Feats of strength

(01:28:08) – Climbing inspiration

(01:29:45) – Excuses and explanations

(01:37:14) – Skin products

(01:41:31) – Why he took a year off

(01:44:34) – Not forcing it

(01:47:38) – Working with a coach

(01:51:22) – Life balance

(01:54:47) – Climbing with a purpose

(01:59:28) – Upcoming goals and plans

(02:02:01) – More ROTS

(02:11:33) – Wrap up and EXTRA for Patrons

Neely Quinn returns to the podcast! We talked about how doing mindset work with Hazel Findlay changed her life, why she decided to become a life coach herself, simple tactics for working through negative emotions and banishing shame, why working on your mindset will make you climb harder, and much more! Neely also gives Steven a life coaching session and helps him find more contentment with his climbing.

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Intro

(00:01:35) – Neely’s breakfast

(00:02:48) – Jonathan Siegrist’s rest days

(00:04:32) – Overview of our chat

(00:05:47) – How working with Hazel Findlay changed her life

(00:12:09) – The discomfort goal

(00:14:56) – Not sending ‘Tombraider’ 5.13d, and learning how to enjoy climbing again

(00:16:34) – Trying max hard, and feeling ready to fail

(00:21:15) – Pursuing life coaching

(00:22:28) – Self-talk

(00:23:09) – The role of a life coach

(00:24:35) – Mindset tools

(00:28:40) – Email apnea

(00:35:22) – Emotions, shame, and what to do

(00:38:10) – Steven gets a life coaching session

(01:00:07) – Gratitude, self-affirmation, and the list of 3s

(01:06:39) – Becoming a life coach

(01:08:37) – What Neely is still working on

(01:15:29) – Gremlin work

(01:26:45) – Getting out of depression

(01:30:38) – Toil

(01:31:56) – Piano, projecting, and self-hatred

(01:34:07) – Self-esteem and inherent value

(01:35:52) – Respect and envy

(01:38:27) – Our homework

(01:41:30) – A last bit of coaching for Steven

(01:49:26) – Knowing when to pivot

(01:51:02) – Wanting without attachment

(01:53:20) – Where to find Neely

(01:55:37) – What to look for in a mindset coach

(01:57:01) – Wrap up and EXTRA for Patrons!

Simon Lorenzi is a world-class climber from Belgium and the first person to climb three boulders graded 9A/V17. We talked about lessons from his three hardest boulders, tactics for trying ‘Burden of Dreams’ in -13°C, the projecting bubble, the goal of struggling, dealing with bad weather on ‘Alphane’, facing frustration with optimism, using a book under his kneepad on the FA of ‘Soudain Seul’, dream V18 projects, and much more!

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Nuggets:

(00:00:00) – Intro

(00:02:15) – How to pronounce Simon

(00:02:56) – Claude Lorenzi

(00:05:37) – Early climbing

(00:08:02) – Discovering his potential

(00:10:12) – Focusing on the details

(00:11:31) – Becoming a 9A/V17 generalist

(00:15:06) – ‘Burden of Dreams’

(00:21:27) – The projecting bubble

(00:25:44) – Simon’s 9A+/V18 goal

(00:28:11) – Precision vs. finger strength

(00:29:17) – External pressure

(00:33:52) – Trying ‘Burden’ in -13 C

(00:36:09) – Optimism

(00:42:48) – Dealing with bad weather on ‘Alphane’

(00:45:07) – Training while projecting ‘Burden’

(00:49:47) – Projecting tactics

(00:51:25) – Lessons from his three 9A’s

(00:54:25) – How ‘Soudain Seul’ got it’s name

(00:59:11) – Kneebar + book tactics

(01:02:40) – His biggest lesson from ‘Soudain Seul’

(01:03:23) – The goal of struggling

(01:04:51) – ‘Big Conviction’, and bonding with his dad

(01:10:01) – Stress from his dad

(01:15:14) – Sport climbing goals

(01:17:31) – Future competition plans

(01:21:44) – How comps and outdoor projects complement each other

(01:26:10) – Training for comps vs. projects

(01:27:46) – Simon’s dream 9A+ project

(01:37:07) – Upcoming competitions

(01:40:40) – Repeating his dad’s 8c/5.14b

(01:42:18) – Support from his dad

(01:45:44) – Wrap up and EXTRA for Patrons!