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This conversation delves into the complexities of phosphates in pool chemistry, emphasizing their role in biological processes and the misconceptions surrounding their impact on chlorine effectiveness and algae growth. It also touches on contractor accountability in the pool industry and analyzes market trends, providing insights into the current state of the industry. Takeaways Phosphates are essential for life and play a crucial role in biochemistry. The pool industry often misunderstands the role of phosphates, treating them as a primary villain in algae growth. Chlorine is the primary agent for controlling algae, not phosphates. Phosphate testing became popular due to marketing rather than scientific necessity. Algae can survive without measurable orthophosphate, relying on other forms of phosphorus. Phosphate removal can help but is not a substitute for proper sanitation practices. The relationship between phosphates and algae is complex and often misrepresented. Market reports can be misleading, showing stabilization rather than true growth. Consumer protection in the pool industry is a significant concern, highlighted by contractor misconduct cases. Understanding the mechanisms of pool chemistry is more important than memorizing numbers.

Sound bites "Phosphate does not cause algae." "Chlorine neglect causes algae." "Oxidation is still the boss." Chapters 00:00 Understanding Phosphates in Pool Chemistry 03:50 Contractor Accountability and Consumer Protection 08:25 Market Trends and Industry Growth Analysis 12:44 The Role of Phosphates in Algae Control 21:16 Sources of Phosphates and Their Impact 25:12 The Relationship Between Phosphates and Algae

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In this episode of Talking Pools, hosts Steve and Wayne discuss various aspects of the pool service industry, including the evolution of services, the importance of community and networking, navigating insurance challenges, and the impact of technology. They share insights on client relations, the significance of proper maintenance, and the intricacies of pool renovations and inspections. The conversation emphasizes the need for pool professionals to be proactive, knowledgeable, and ethical in their business practices.

takeaways

• Everyone starts out as a service guy in the pool industry.
• The new CPO manual has significant updates.
• Community and networking are crucial for success in the pool industry.
• Insurance policies often exclude certain types of coverage.
• Asking the right questions can save time and money.
• Maintaining good client relations is essential for business.
• Technology is rapidly changing the pool service landscape.
• Proper documentation is vital for client disputes.
• Renovations require careful planning and communication with clients.
• Good business practices lead to positive karma and long-term success.

Sound Bites

• "You can start out as a service guy."
• "You need to ask the right questions."
• "You have to do good business."

Chapters

00:00
Navigating Drone Insurance and Regulations

25:56
Understanding General Liability and Property Damage Coverage

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In this conversation, Natalie Hood and Manny Sanchez delve into the world of ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) pools, addressing common misconceptions, discussing design flexibility, construction processes, and the advantages of ICF pools over traditional methods. They explore the speed of construction, maintenance requirements, and the environmental benefits of ICF pools, while also touching on finishing options and the future of this innovative building method.

takeaways

• ICF pools are often misunderstood and seen as a trend.
• They offer significant design flexibility without limitations.
• Waste management is more efficient with ICF pools compared to traditional methods.
• The construction process for ICF pools can be faster due to fewer subcontractor dependencies.
• ICF pools require less maintenance due to their waterproof nature.
• They are resilient against thermal stress and environmental factors.
• ICF pools can be built in areas lacking skilled subcontractors.
• Finishing options for ICF pools are versatile and can include various materials.
• ICF pools provide a controlled environment for concrete, enhancing longevity.
• The future of ICF pools looks promising as awareness and technology improve.

Sound Bites

• "ICF pools take longer to build?"
• "ICF pools are forgiving."
• "ICF pools are waterproof."

Chapters

00:00
Design Flexibility and Construction Efficiency

01:45
Design Flexibility with ICF Pools

05:34
Integrating Traditional Methods with ICF

10:56
Comparing Build Times: ICF vs. Shotcrete

17:23
Maintenance Considerations for ICF Pools

20:10
Durability and Environmental Resilience of ICF Pools

24:36
Compatibility with Modern Finishes

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In this episode of Mondays Down Under on the Talking Pools podcast, hosts Lee and Shane discuss the transition from summer to winter in the pool service industry, emphasizing the importance of planning for the slower months ahead. They explore various digital tools and apps that can enhance efficiency, from measuring tools like Google Earth to invoicing software like HubDoc and accounting solutions like Xero. The conversation also touches on work health and safety apps, marketing strategies using technology, and the importance of streamlining business operations. The hosts encourage listeners to share their own tips and tools to foster a collaborative community.

takeaways

• Plan for winter business now to ensure profitability.
• Utilize Google Earth for measuring distances and pool sizes.
• BufferZone integrates with Google Maps for efficient marketing.
• Apps like Measure can replace traditional tape measures.
• Decibel meters help assess pump noise levels.
• HubDoc simplifies invoicing and document management.
• XeroMe allows employees to manage their hours and leave easily.
• Petrol Spy helps find the cheapest fuel prices.
• Waze provides real-time traffic updates and hazards.
• Opal app helps manage screen time and reduce distractions.

Sound Bites

• "Four seasons in one day."
• "Plan for winter now!"
• "ZeroMe is a game changer."

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No arrests. No indictments. No viral footage of someone in a polo getting walked past a plaster truck in handcuffs.

And yet—this was not a quiet week.

In this Friday episode of the Talking Pools Podcast, Rudy Stankowitz breaks down what actually moved the needle in the pool industry this week: quiet signals, structural shifts, and the 2026 Skimmer State of the Pool Service Report—misread by many, misunderstood by most, and weaponized incorrectly on social media.

This is not a recap episode.
This is not a highlight reel.
And it sure as hell isn’t a kumbaya moment.

Rudy dissects what the report claims, what it measures, and—more importantly—what it doesn’t. From survey bias and geographic concentration to overhead pressure, chemical risk transfer, pricing restraint, labor constraints, AI realities, and the slow death of handshake-based operations, this episode pulls the curtain back on what “professionalization” really means.

Spoiler: it’s not growth—it’s survival with a spreadsheet.

In This Episode, You’ll Hear:

• Why the 2026 “State of the Pool Industry” is not actually the state of the entire industry
• How survey bias, telemetry bias, and geography skew conclusions
• Why optimism in the report is coming from restraint, not expansion
• The real meaning behind rising overhead percentages and sticky fixed costs
• What declining “maintenance expense” actually signals (hint: accounting, not cheaper chemicals)
• Monthly billing: why recurring revenue magnifies bad unit economics
• The quiet but powerful shift in chemical risk allocation
• Why deposits are becoming standard—and what that says about market power
• Labor as the true binding constraint (and why AI isn’t fixing it)
• How national brands aren’t stealing customers—they’re stealing employees
• Why efficiency-first strategies signal margin indication, not abundance
• What the report avoids measuring—and why those omissions matter
• How disciplined operators will look calm while undisciplined ones experience chaos
• The difference between what looks good on paper and what blows up Tuesday at 7:30 AM

Key Takeaway:

This report isn’t comfort food.
It’s a diagnostic.

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In this episode of the Talking Pools podcast, hosts Steve and Wayne discuss the ongoing trade show season in the pool industry, the impact of weather on attendance, and the importance of insurance and liability considerations for pool service professionals. They share personal anecdotes and insights about navigating trade shows, the significance of networking, and the challenges of managing liability in pool services, especially concerning diving boards and hillside pools.


Takeaways

Trade shows are crucial for networking and education in the pool industry.
Weather can significantly impact attendance at trade shows, but it's not the only factor.
Insurance coverage is essential for pool service professionals to protect against liability.
Diving boards and slides pose significant risks and require careful management.
It's important to have clients sign hold harmless agreements for risky features.
Trade shows can be expensive, but they offer valuable opportunities for learning and connection.
Understanding the nuances of insurance can save professionals from costly claims.
Networking at trade shows can lead to long-term industry relationships.
The timing of trade shows is often influenced by economic factors and industry schedules.
Attending trade shows requires planning to maximize benefits and minimize costs.

Sound bites

"Trade show season is well underway."
"It's all about the money."
"Insurance claims can be costly."


Chapters

00:00 Trade Show Season Insights
17:06 Navigating Pool Inspections and Liability
24:43 Navigating Legal Risks in Pool Service
25:43 Understanding Liability with Diving Boards and Slides
28:16 Risk Management Strategies for Pool Service Providers
29:28 The Importance of Communication with Clients
29:54 Trade Shows: Opportunities and Challenges
33:55 The Evolution of Trade Show Costs
36:52 Feedback and Interaction at Trade Shows
38:23 Maximizing Value from Trade Show Attendance
41:59 Common Pool Maintenance Challenges
47:58 Conclusion and Listener Engagement

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In this episode of the Talking Pools podcast, Natalie Hood and Manny Sanchez delve into the world of Insulated Concrete Form (ICF) pools, addressing common misconceptions, cost comparisons, and the advantages of ICF over traditional pool construction methods. They explore the strength, energy efficiency, and design flexibility of ICF pools, while also discussing the building process and maintenance requirements. The conversation highlights the growing popularity of ICF pools as a modern solution for pool construction, emphasizing their benefits in various climates and conditions.


Takeaways

ICF pools are misunderstood but offer significant advantages.
Cost factors for ICF pools are often misrepresented.
ICF provides superior insulation and structural integrity.
Design flexibility is a key benefit of ICF pools.
ICF pools can be built faster and with less waste.
Energy efficiency is a major advantage of ICF pools.
ICF pools require less maintenance than traditional pools.
Modern finishes can be effectively applied to ICF pools.
ICF pools are suitable for various climates and conditions.
The future of pool construction is leaning towards ICF technology.

Sound bites

"ICF pools deliver strength, efficiency, speed."
"ICF is the gold standard for basements."
"ICF pools provide superior thermal insulation."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to ICF Pools
02:52 Understanding ICF: Myths and Realities
05:33 Cost Comparisons: ICF vs Traditional Pools
08:05 ICF Pools: Strength and Durability
11:04 Design Flexibility and Applications of ICF Pools
13:49 Energy Efficiency and Maintenance of ICF Pools
16:21 Building Process: ICF vs Shotcrete
19:02 Environmental Impact and Waste Reduction
22:12 Modern Finishes for ICF Pools
24:32 Conclusion and Future of ICF Pools

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Introduction: In the latest episode of the Talking Pools podcast, hosts Lee and Shane delve into the complexities of pool maintenance, sharing their personal experiences and troubleshooting tips. This blog post aims to summarize their conversation, providing valuable insights into common challenges faced by pool professionals and enthusiasts alike.

Understanding Public Holidays and Their Impact on Work
Lee and Shane kick off the episode by discussing the significance of public holidays in Australia and New Zealand, specifically Australia Day and Auckland Anniversary Day. While these holidays are opportunities for celebration, they also impact scheduling and workload for pool maintenance professionals. Shane humorously notes the importance of planning around these days, particularly when encountering unexpected challenges in the field.

The Reality of Pump Issues
One of the main topics of discussion revolves around pump priming issues that Shane experienced during a recent pool maintenance job. He describes a scenario where a vacuum connection caused the pump to deprive, leading to a frustrating situation where he couldn't effectively vacuum the pool. Shane emphasizes the importance of understanding the plumbing setup, as certain configurations can lead to complications. He shares a key takeaway: troubleshooting is an essential skill for anyone in the pool maintenance industry.

Troubleshooting Techniques
Shane recounts his experience with a challenging pool that had persistent algae problems. Despite previous treatments, the chlorine residual remained at zero. This led to a process of elimination where Shane and his team had to consider various factors, including the pool’s filtration system and potential dead zones. Lee suggests using chlorine dioxide tablets as an additional measure, highlighting the importance of adapting strategies based on the specific needs of each pool.

Chlorine vs. Saltwater Systems
The conversation shifts to the ongoing debate between chlorine and saltwater systems. Lee points out that both systems have their pros and cons, and the choice often depends on individual preferences and circumstances. They discuss the corrosive nature of salt and how it can impact equipment over time, drawing on their extensive experience with saltwater chlorinators in Australia and New Zealand.

Conclusion: Key Takeaways
The episode concludes with a reminder of the complexities involved in pool maintenance. Lee and Shane emphasize the need for adaptability, problem-solving skills, and a thorough understanding of pool systems. By sharing their experiences and insights, they provide invaluable guidance for those in the industry or anyone looking to maintain their own pool. Remember, whether it’s navigating public holidays, troubleshooting pump issues, or choosing between chlorine and saltwater systems, the key is to stay informed and proactive.

Tags: Pool Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Chlorine, Saltwater Systems, Pool Care, Talking Pools Podcast, Pool Professionals, Australia, New Zealand, Pool Cleaning

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