In this episode of the Sales Leaders Playbook, host Paul Tindall engages with Sunny Amit, CEO of Evron Computers, to explore the intricacies of sales leadership and business growth. They discuss the importance of understanding client needs, the definition of growth beyond just revenue, and the challenges of scaling a business. Sunny shares insights on the significance of trust in client relationships, the evolution of the sales process, and the critical role of hiring the right team. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI on the software industry and offers valuable advice for business owners facing growth challenges.

Takeaways

Understanding clients is key to creating value.
Growth means trust with clients, staff, and partners.
Sales is about establishing trust, not just selling.
We need to understand client problems deeply.
The sales process must match the buyer's journey.
Hiring the right team is crucial for scaling.
A bad hire in sales can be very costly.
We want to be the single point IT department.
We need to innovate to help clients survive.
Vision for growth includes strategic planning and execution.

Connect with Amit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amit-sahni-00a1a115/

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Welcome to Sales Leader’s Playbook, the podcast that dives into the minds of Ontario’s most driven owner-led businesses. Hosted by Paul Tindall, CEO of Phoenix Coaching Works, this show explores how entrepreneurs in industries from industrial supplies to software, agencies to manufacturing are building, leading, and selling in a constantly changing market. Each episode shares practical insights from business owners still in the trenches — covering lead generation, sales strategies, team management, operational challenges, and the growth lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re running a small sales team or leading a growing firm, Sales Leader’s Playbook delivers real-world stories and strategies you can apply to drive results, overcome obstacles, and seize opportunities.

In this episode of the Sales Leaders Playbook podcast, Justine Tindall interviews Nicola Lloyd, president of Meducom Health. They discuss Nicola's entrepreneurial beginnings, the meaning of growth in business, challenges in lead generation, the importance of human engagement, and the role of technology and AI in the pharmaceutical industry. Nicola shares insights on sales effectiveness, the significance of measuring processes, hiring challenges, and leadership adjustments in a growing company. She concludes with advice for business owners facing growth ceilings, emphasizing the importance of returning to fundamentals and leveraging strengths.

Takeaways

Nicola's entrepreneurial spirit began at a young age with a card-making business.
Growth in business encompasses more than just revenue; it's about people and relationships.
Lead generation has become more complex due to digital clutter and competition.
Human-to-human engagement is essential for successful partnerships.
Innovation in the pharmaceutical industry is often stifled by regulatory challenges.
Sales effectiveness requires a relationship-based approach rather than a transactional one.
Measuring processes is crucial for predicting outcomes and success.
Hiring the right people is more about alignment with values than just experience.
Leadership requires balancing operational decisions with team growth.
Returning to fundamentals can help overcome growth ceilings.

Connect with Nicola - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicola-v-lloyd/

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Welcome to Sales Leader’s Playbook, the podcast that dives into the minds of Ontario’s most driven owner-led businesses. Hosted by Paul Tindall, CEO of Phoenix Coaching Works, this show explores how entrepreneurs in industries from industrial supplies to software, agencies to manufacturing are building, leading, and selling in a constantly changing market. Each episode shares practical insights from business owners still in the trenches — covering lead generation, sales strategies, team management, operational challenges, and the growth lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re running a small sales team or leading a growing firm, Sales Leader’s Playbook delivers real-world stories and strategies you can apply to drive results, overcome obstacles, and seize opportunities.

What if the hiring system is completely broken and AI is making it worse?

In this episode of the Sales Leaders Playbook, host Justine Tindall sits down with Jordan Goure, Founder & CEO of Picsume, to unpack the future of sales, hiring, and AI-driven recruitment.

From launching his first business at 19 to scaling multiple companies across hospitality, real estate, and tech, Jordan shares how his journey shaped a powerful insight: traditional hiring methods, especially resumes are outdated, inefficient, and now flooded with what he calls “AI slop.”

They dive deep into:

Why resumes are no longer reliable predictors of success
How AI automation is breaking hiring systems
The truth about “AI slop” and fake applications
Why human-led sales is more important than ever
How Picsume is redefining recruitment with dynamic profiles & structured data
The biggest opportunity and threat in AI and SaaS today
Real lessons from scaling multiple businesses and building high-performing sales teams

Jordan also reveals why automation alone won’t win deals and how combining AI tools with human connection is the real competitive advantage.

To connect with Jordan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordangoure/

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Welcome to Sales Leader’s Playbook, the podcast that dives into the minds of Ontario’s most driven owner-led businesses. Hosted by Paul Tindall, CEO of Phoenix Coaching Works, this show explores how entrepreneurs in industries from industrial supplies to software, agencies to manufacturing are building, leading, and selling in a constantly changing market. Each episode shares practical insights from business owners still in the trenches — covering lead generation, sales strategies, team management, operational challenges, and the growth lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re running a small sales team or leading a growing firm, Sales Leader’s Playbook delivers real-world stories and strategies you can apply to drive results, overcome obstacles, and seize opportunities.

What does real business growth look like in 2026? In this episode of the Sales Leaders Playbook, host Justine Tindall sits down with financial strategist and Numbercrunch CEO Susan Richards to unpack a powerful shift from chasing revenue to building true enterprise value.

With over 25 years of experience in the tech and SaaS space, Susan shares how founders and sales leaders can rethink growth beyond vanity metrics like headcount and top-line revenue. Learn why profitability alone isn’t enough, how AI is reshaping operational efficiency, and what it takes to build a business that delivers long-term value and a successful exit.

You’ll discover:
• Why enterprise value is the ultimate growth metric
• The problem with focusing only on revenue or profit
• How AI is changing the meaning of team growth
• What makes a business truly scalable and transferable
• Insights from working with 100+ startups as a CFO & advisor

Whether you’re a founder, sales leader, or scaling a SaaS business, this conversation will change how you think about growth.

Connect with Susan Richards - https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-richards-fcpa-fcma-53b2176/

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Welcome to Sales Leader’s Playbook, the podcast that dives into the minds of Ontario’s most driven owner-led businesses. Hosted by Paul Tindall, CEO of Phoenix Coaching Works, this show explores how entrepreneurs in industries from industrial supplies to software, agencies to manufacturing are building, leading, and selling in a constantly changing market. Each episode shares practical insights from business owners still in the trenches — covering lead generation, sales strategies, team management, operational challenges, and the growth lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re running a small sales team or leading a growing firm, Sales Leader’s Playbook delivers real-world stories and strategies you can apply to drive results, overcome obstacles, and seize opportunities.

Most companies think growth comes from hiring more salespeople… but they’re missing the point.

In this episode, Jay Bousada (CEO & Founder of ThrillWorks) breaks down why CEOs must stay directly involved in sales and how that mindset helped him build a 26-year, award-winning agency.

From landing a massive first deal to turning down major clients like Tim Hortons and BlackBerry, Jay shares real-world lessons on what actually drives long-term growth.

You’ll learn:

Why CEO-led sales creates stronger, longer-lasting client relationships
The real reason most agencies lose clients after 3–5 years
How to identify and remove “bottlenecks” killing your conversions
Why more leads won’t fix a broken sales or marketing system
The importance of simplifying complex solutions to win deals
How to hire the right salespeople (and avoid costly mistakes)
The balance between working in vs. on your business
How AI is both a massive opportunity and a real risk for companies

This conversation is a must-watch for:

CEOs and founders scaling service-based businesses
Agency owners struggling with client retention
Sales leaders looking to improve close rates and relationships
Business owners navigating growth, hiring, and leadership challenges

💡 Key takeaway:

You don’t need more leads you need better alignment, clearer strategy, and stronger leadership in sales.

Connect with Jay Bousada:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaybousada/

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Most companies think they have a lead problem… but they don’t.

In this episode, Alysha Dominico (CEO & Co-Founder of Tangible Words) breaks down why marketing is often blamed for revenue issues and why that’s completely wrong. The real problem? Misaligned sales processes, poor data, and lack of ownership across teams.

You’ll learn:

Why nobody trusts marketing (and how to change that)
The difference between lead generation vs. lead qualification
How to fix a broken sales process using data and CRM systems
Why your pipeline isn’t converting (and how to improve close rates)
The shift from marketing → sales → revenue optimization
How tools like HubSpot fail without proper setup and strategy
The hidden reason deals stall, slip, or never close

This conversation is a must-watch for:

CEOs and founders of growing companies
Sales leaders struggling with inconsistent results
Marketing teams tired of being blamed for revenue gaps
Anyone using a CRM but not getting real insights

💡 Key takeaway:

You don’t have a lead problem, you have a process, data, and alignment problem.

Connect with Alysha Dominico:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alyshadominico/

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– Justine and the Sales Leader’s Playbook podcast team

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Welcome to Sales Leader’s Playbook, the podcast that dives into the minds of Ontario’s most driven owner-led businesses. Hosted by Paul Tindall, CEO of Phoenix Coaching Works, this show explores how entrepreneurs in industries from industrial supplies to software, agencies to manufacturing are building, leading, and selling in a constantly changing market. Each episode shares practical insights from business owners still in the trenches — covering lead generation, sales strategies, team management, operational challenges, and the growth lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re running a small sales team or leading a growing firm, Sales Leader’s Playbook delivers real-world stories and strategies you can apply to drive results, overcome obstacles, and seize opportunities.

Is cold calling still effective in the age of AI?

In this episode of the Sales Leaders Playbook Podcast, host Justine Tindall sits down with Paul Griffin, a sales leader building the next evolution of go-to-market strategy.
Paul is the CEO and co-founder of The Sales Factory, a leading B2B revenue agency that has been recognized three times by The Globe and Mail as one of Canada’s fastest-growing companies and recently named a Winter 2026 leader in lead generation by G2.
In this conversation, Paul shares how modern sales teams are combining human sales execution with AI-driven systems to build scalable revenue infrastructure.
You’ll learn why many companies are making the mistake of replacing salespeople with AI, why cold calling is still one of the most effective outbound channels, and how high-performing organizations are evolving their go-to-market strategy.
If you're a sales leader, founder, SDR, or B2B marketer, this episode will give you practical insights you can apply immediately.

In This Episode You'll Learn

• Why cold calling is outperforming email and LinkedIn outreach
• The real impact of AI on sales teams
• How top companies combine human sales reps + AI systems
• The biggest mistake businesses make when scaling sales
• How to ramp new sales reps faster
• Why most companies hit revenue growth ceilings
• The leadership changes required to scale from startup to 100+ employees
• How modern teams build revenue infrastructure instead of just lead generation

About the Guest

Paul Griffin is the CEO and co-founder of The Sales Factory, a leading B2B revenue agency helping companies generate pipeline and scale outbound sales teams.
He is known for his expertise in outbound sales strategy, pipeline conversion, and the future of revenue teams, and frequently speaks at events such as Futurepreneur and TechTO.
Paul is currently focused on building revenue infrastructure, combining people, systems, and AI technology to help companies grow faster and close more business.

To connect with Paul - https://www.linkedin.com/in/griffinpaulm/

Subscribe to the Sales Leaders Playbook Podcast for conversations with founders, revenue leaders, and experts sharing real-world strategies for growing sales teams and revenue.

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Welcome to Sales Leader’s Playbook, the podcast that dives into the minds of Ontario’s most driven owner-led businesses. Hosted by Paul Tindall, CEO of Phoenix Coaching Works, this show explores how entrepreneurs in industries from industrial supplies to software, agencies to manufacturing are building, leading, and selling in a constantly changing market. Each episode shares practical insights from business owners still in the trenches — covering lead generation, sales strategies, team management, operational challenges, and the growth lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re running a small sales team or leading a growing firm, Sales Leader’s Playbook delivers real-world stories and strategies you can apply to drive results, overcome obstacles, and seize opportunities.

In this episode of the Sandler Sales Leaders Playbook, host Justine Tindall sits down with James Grant, President & CEO of Signature Risk Partners, alongside Paul Tindall of Sandler Training.

With over 20 years in financial services and insurance, James shares how he built a highly specialized insurance business by focusing on niche markets like golf courses, wineries, craft breweries, and RV parks. From cold-calling out of the phone book to leading one of Canada’s top niche MGAs, this conversation dives deep into:

• The power of domain expertise in sales
• Why specialization beats generic products
• Building broker partnerships instead of competing with them
• Leveraging industry associations for lead generation
• Sales leadership in uncertain economic times
• The impact of AI on underwriting and sales
• Hiring beyond industry experience
• Scaling culture in a remote-first world

James also explains how aligning with associations like the National Golf Course Owners Association of Canada helped position his company as a trusted expert rather than just another insurance provider.

To connect James - https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-grant-5087b77/

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Welcome to Sales Leader’s Playbook, the podcast that dives into the minds of Ontario’s most driven owner-led businesses. Hosted by Paul Tindall, CEO of Phoenix Coaching Works, this show explores how entrepreneurs in industries from industrial supplies to software, agencies to manufacturing are building, leading, and selling in a constantly changing market. Each episode shares practical insights from business owners still in the trenches — covering lead generation, sales strategies, team management, operational challenges, and the growth lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re running a small sales team or leading a growing firm, Sales Leader’s Playbook delivers real-world stories and strategies you can apply to drive results, overcome obstacles, and seize opportunities.