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Pastors & Money Podcast

Pastors & Money Podcast

著者： Joy Suzanne Hunt
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 Helping helps pastors, ministry leaders, and churches stop being limited by finances and start thriving financially, using money as a tool to fuel God’s mission in our churches and our families.© 2025 Joy Suzanne Hunt キリスト教 スピリチュアリティ 聖職・福音主義
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  • How One Pastor Turned His Garage Into a Gym Ministry

    How One Pastor Turned His Garage Into a Gym Ministry
    2025/06/25
    In this episode, Steve McKinney, a bestselling author, fitness coach, Brazilian Jiujitsu black belt, and pastor, shares his journey of integrating his passion for fitness with his faith and how it became a gym ministry. He discusses the importance of aging gracefully, maintaining physical health, and how his unique three W approach to fitness can transform lives. Steve also touches on the challenges of maintaining healthy eating habits in ministry and emphasizes the significance of self-care for effective leadership. Resources from this Episode: The Gospel of Fitness by Steve McKinney (available on Amazon) Fitness and More Website Transcript: Joy Suzanne: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes, and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Joy Hunt: Today we have an incredible guest on the show, someone who truly embodies strength, resilience, and faith. Steve McKinney is a bestselling author, fitness coach, and Brazilian Jiujitsu black belt dedicated to. Helping people age strong and live healthier lives. As the owner of Fitness and More Incorporated, he has helped countless individuals transform their bodies through his unique three W approach to fitness. And why is he [00:01:00] on this podcast? Well, Steve is also a church pastor, integrating faith and mindset into his approach to wellness. His book, the Gospel of Fitness, breaks down the Science of Strength training and Nutrition in a way that's practical, sustainable, and life-changing. Well, Steve, welcome to the podcast. Steve McKinney: It's great to be here. Joy, thank you for having me. I'm excited about being here and talking today. The Beginning of a Gym Ministry: From K-Mart Weights to Life-Changing Faith Joy Hunt: So Steve, you've had quite a journey from converting your garage into a gym to becoming a personal trainer, a fitness business owner, and author alongside your ministry. So could you share a bit about your background and how you came to blend your passion for fitness with your faith and your ministry work? Steve McKinney: Absolutely. So, for me, I just always loved lifting weights. I mean, since my childhood. I talk about this in the book, but my grandfather bought me a set of weights when I was nine years old from a place called Kmart. Now, if there's any... Joy Hunt: I used to work there. Steve McKinney: I was gonna say not a lot of people know Kmart, but some [00:02:00] do. And so I always get a laugh out of that whenever I mention it. But they were these plastic weights that he bought me, and I went home and bought this book by a guy named Franco Colombo. And I lifted weights six days a week. Now, I'm nine years old, so I'm not making any gains, but I'm loving it. I'm just loving it! And so then we fast forward. I lifted weights for a long period. Back then, I wasn't walking with the Lord. Both of my parents got sick when they were younger. My father passed away at 49 from cancer. My mother died at 49 on Christmas morning; she died in my arms. Now, the interesting thing about that is her dying words were served. Jesus, tell your brother to serve Jesus. So, at the time, I didn't even know what that meant, and I was trying to go back to church at the time, and it just didn't work. There's a point in time where, you know, we hit that rock bottom moment. I was on my knees. I remember exactly where I was when I just said, "Jesus, you know I've heard a lot about you, but I don't even know if you're real. But if you are, would you show me?" And nothing happened at that moment, but as I was driving to [00:03:00] work a few weeks later, I knew something had changed. Building Community Through Fitness Ministry That was kind of the beginning of the journey.
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  • Creating Spiritual Disciplines and Attention-Rich Communities in a Distracted World

    Creating Spiritual Disciplines and Attention-Rich Communities in a Distracted World
    2025/06/11
    In part two of our conversation with fighter pilot and attention coach Wes Woodhouse, we dive into practical ways ministers can create attention-rich environments that foster deep spiritual disciplines in a distracted world. Learn how to lead by example, establish routines that enhance creativity, and build communities that value presence over distraction. Discover why setting boundaries with technology isn't just good for you—it's essential for effective ministry in today's attention-starved world. Resources: Part one of Focus Like a Fighter Pilot WesWoodhouse.com Interview Transcript: Joy Suzanne: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes, and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Joy Hunt: Today we're continuing my conversation with Wes Woodhouse about attention focus and how we can apply fighter pilot techniques to our spiritual disciplines. If you missed part one, I encourage you to go back and listen as we explored the growing attention gap in our society and how it's affecting our spiritual lives. Let me reintroduce Wes. He's a husband, father, marathon runner, and fighter pilot. His mission is to build up the next generation of [00:01:00] leaders armed to take on the dynamic challenges of the attention age. In 2020, he founded Vector Atlas, a leadership development and attention cultivation agency where he leads a mastermind of committed men, grounded in wise counsel and accountability, striving to live a life of purpose. As an attention performance coach, he helps leaders maximize their potential by focusing on what is most important. In our first episode was shared how his experience as a fighter pilot taught him the critical importance of focused attention and how those same principles can help us. In our spiritual walk, ~~we discussed how the distractions of modern life are creating an attention gap.~~ ~~We discussed how the distractions of modern life are creating an attention gap that affects our ability. I gotta try that again.~~ We discussed how the distractions of modern life are creating an attention gap that affects our ability to connect deeply with God and others. In the second part of our conversation, we'll be exploring practical ways to help our congregations develop better focus habits, how to create environments that foster deep spiritual connection, and how to build communities that value presence. Let's jump back into our conversation with Westwood House. Creating Routines for Spiritual Disciplines [00:02:00] Joy Hunt: Right, exactly. So thinking about from a spiritual disciplines, and just our spiritual life perspective, then, you know, sometimes that might look like, do you have a routine of when you do your quiet time or how you set up so that when you start, you can start, instead of sitting down and getting ready to get ready to get ready, Wes Woodhouse: Yeah. Joy Hunt: do you have a, it may not always work out to be a consistent si time of day. Some people's. Life and number of kids they have is not conducive to that. Wes Woodhouse: right. Joy Hunt: do you have something that can anchor you back into that today? I did my Bible study sitting at jury duty, Wes Woodhouse: Yeah. Joy Hunt: which by the way was very distracting. Talk about attention 'cause they've got the TVs on and Wes Woodhouse: Yeah. Joy Hunt: How loud can I make my headphones where I'll still hear if they call my name? You know, but, so that I'm not hearing the whatever home remodeling show that's playing on the TVs. But I was like, okay, we're just gonna pick up and take this routine that I normally do [00:03:00] sitting at my desk and I'm just gonna do it sitting in a room full of 200 people instead.
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  • Focus Like a Fighter Pilot: How to Overcome the Attention Gap

    Focus Like a Fighter Pilot: How to Overcome the Attention Gap
    2025/05/28
    In this powerful conversation with fighter pilot and attention coach Wes Woodhouse, we explore the growing 'attention gap' affecting our spiritual lives and practical strategies to overcome it. Discover how the disciplined focus techniques used in the cockpit can transform your relationship with God, your family, and your ministry. Learn why our fragmented attention is costing us more than we realize and how simple changes can restore depth to your spiritual life. Resources from this episode: Wes Woodhouse & Vector Atlas Full Focus Planner Part Two of Focus Like a Fighter Pilot Interview Transcript: Introduction [00:00:00] Joy Hunt: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance, and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Joy Hunt: Wes Woodhouse is a husband, father, marathon runner, and fighter pilot. His mission is to build up the next generation of leaders armed to take on the dynamic challenges of the attention age. In 2020, he founded Vector Atlas, a leadership development and attention cultivation agency where he leads a mastermind of committed men, grounded in wise counsel and accountability, striving to [00:01:00] live a life of purpose. As an attention performance coach, he helps leaders maximize their potential by focusing on what is most important. We welcome to the podcast. Wes Woodhouse: Thanks for having me. From Fighter Pilot to Attention Coach: Wes's Journey [00:01:19] Joy Hunt: So to start, you have a pretty neat background as a fighter pilot. Can you share how you got started there and what led you to become passionate about the topic of attention? Wes Woodhouse: Yeah, they are a little bit intertwined. I'd wanted to be a pilot ever since I was very young, before eighth grade. So I figured out what I needed to do to get there. I worked hard, studied hard in high school, and studied hard in college. I got selected. Got my Air Force commission and was selected for pilot training. Studied hard in pilot training. Then I got to fly. I was selected to fly fighters, which is pretty neat. The F-15 is a fantastic jet and can do a lot of awesome things. So it has been a lot of fun. Kind of what spawned out of that experience, and out of the experience of reaching my [00:02:00] goal of becoming a fighter pilot, and then realizing. Wow. I lost my way a little bit. That was the end-all, be-all to become a pilot. And when I did that, that goal was complete. I realized there was no further goal. So I had a period of trying to figure out where my life was going and what I needed to do. I love flying and everything, and that led me down the path of listening to podcasts and reading lots of books. And, combining that with some of the skills that it takes to be a pilot, specifically a fighter pilot, realized that it is very important. I think it is not given the credit that it is due. As far as you know, we all know. Spend your time wisely because you can't bring back any of the past minutes, hours, days, or years of your life. Attention is in many ways the current. The actions that are going on inside those minutes that you are using that you'll never get back. [00:03:00] So, I've kind of been a student of my attention, as well as the collective attention of society. And it's been a very interesting journey. Understanding the Attention Gap in Today's World [00:03:13] Joy Hunt: So you have talked a little bit about the growing attention gap in America, in the world, and some of the things that you've shared and you've written. So could you explain what you mean by that concept and why it matters? For our listeners in this particular podcast are pastors and church leaders, mostly. Wes Woodhouse: Yes, the attention gap.
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