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Pastors & Money Podcast

Pastors & Money Podcast

著者： Joy Suzanne Hunt
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 Helping helps pastors, ministry leaders, and churches stop being limited by finances and start thriving financially, using money as a tool to fuel God’s mission in our churches and our families.© 2025 Joy Suzanne Hunt キリスト教 スピリチュアリティ 聖職・福音主義
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  • Financial Freedom Transformed My Ministry: A Pastor’s Guide to Money Without Shame with Nicholas E Michels

    Financial Freedom Transformed My Ministry: A Pastor’s Guide to Money Without Shame with Nicholas E Michels
    2025/12/31
    Is it selfish for pastors to focus on their own financial future? What if prioritizing your financial freedom is actually the most biblical thing you can do for your ministry? In this powerful conversation with Dr. Nicholas Michels—financial strategist, bestselling author, and founder of Michels Family Financial—we tackle the guilt and stigma that keep ministry leaders from achieving financial freedom. Dr. Nick shares his personal journey from witnessing financial devastation in his childhood home to helping his own mother rebuild her life, and how his brother’s experience as a pastor opened his eyes to the unique financial challenges ministry families face. Discover why financial stress destroys marriages, how to create a vision statement that transforms your relationship with your spouse, and why “outwardly successful but inwardly stressed” describes so many ministry leaders. Dr. Nick explains the “mastermind effect” in marriage, shares the practical steps to get on the same page financially, and reveals why the Bible is the greatest success money book ever written. This episode will change how you think about money, stewardship, and what it means to serve well in ministry. Read the full transcript. What You’ll Learn Why pastors shouldn’t feel guilty about prioritizing their finances (and how it strengthens ministry)How childhood money experiences shape your current financial decisionsThe vision statement exercise that saved Dr. Nick’s marriage and transformed his financesWhy being “outwardly successful but inwardly stressed” is so common in ministryHow to get on the same page financially with your spouse (even if one person handles the money)The “mastermind effect” happens when two minds work toward one financial goalWhy financial freedom deepens your relationship with God instead of replacing trustPractical daily activities that lead to financial peace and confidenceHow to use your financial struggles as a powerful ministry testimony Key Quotes “If you have a church and you’re teaching the good news and all of a sudden your finances go south and you don’t have a church anymore because of that, how are you gonna teach people the good news? So prioritizing finance is absolutely important. It doesn’t make you selfish.” – Dr. Nicholas Michels “You don’t take money with you, but you take the hearts and souls of those you lead to Christ with you.” – Dr. Nicholas Michels (quoting his client Donnie) “When you’re having money problems, money sucks the joy out of every aspect of your life, every category.” – Dr. Nicholas Michels “My happiness wasn’t going up ’cause we weren’t doing it together and that was my fault.” – Dr. Nicholas Michels “I just want to know that we’re in this together.” – Dr. Nick’s wife (the turning point conversation) “Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. If you’re not aligned on where the treasure is, then you’re not aligned in terms of your hearts.” – Joy Suzanne Hunt “It wasn’t like ‘I’m not trusting God ’cause I’m working on this.’ Me and God are working on this together.” – Joy Suzanne Hunt “Happiness is on the other side of resiliency.” – Dr. Nicholas Michels “The Bible’s the greatest success money book ever written. All the great advice out there from Dave Ramsey to Warren Buffett can be found in the Bible.” – Dr. Nicholas Michels About Our Guest Dr. Nicholas E. Michels is a financial strategist, bestselling author, and founder of Michels Family Financial. What makes Dr. Nick unique is his personal journey from financial hardship in a broken home to financial freedom and his passion for helping people, including ministry leaders, overcome the guilt and stigma around managing money well. With his brother serving as a pastor, Nick understands the unique financial challenges that ministry families face and believes that being a good steward of your finances isn’t selfish—it’s biblical. His book, “Rich by Choice,” teaches people not just how to become wealthy, but how to be rich in faith, relationships, and life experiences. Resources Mentioned Rich by Choice (book by Dr. Nicholas Michels)Free Gift: The Power of Compounding Chapter – Get your free chapter at www.richbychoicebook.comMichels Family FinancialThe Vision Statement Exercise (detailed in Rich by Choice)The Rocking Chair Test – Looking back at 110 years old, what makes a great life?John Templeton Sr.’s quote: “Anything you do can be your ministry.”Jeremiah 29:11 – “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord.” Practical Takeaways The Vision Statement Exercise Grab 10 pieces of paper and find a quiet areaTake 45 minutes and write out EVERYTHING you want to accomplish in lifeBe specific – not just “I want to retire” but what does Tuesday afternoon look like when you’re retired?Cover all areas: faith, personal growth, relationships, family, ...
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  • Breaking Generational Strongholds: Pass Better Money Habits to Your Kids

    Breaking Generational Strongholds: Pass Better Money Habits to Your Kids
    2025/12/17
    What if the money struggles you’re facing today aren’t really about your budget—but about patterns passed down from your parents and grandparents? In this powerful conversation with Andy Yoder, Ramsey Preferred Financial Coach and former youth pastor, we explore how generational money habits shape our financial decisions and, more importantly, how to break free and pass better money habits to the next generation. This post may contain affiliate links. They don’t cost you a penny, but they help provide a source of income for this site. For more information, please see our disclosures. Andy shares his own journey from financial stress and credit card anxiety to peace and purpose, revealing how his transformation didn’t just change his marriage—it became a ministry. From parents who never talked about money to emotional spending that masks loneliness, Andy unpacks the hidden patterns that keep families trapped in unhealthy money cycles. Read the Full Transcript. What You’ll Learn Discover practical, age-appropriate ways to teach your kids about money, why your children are watching (even when you think they’re not), and how handling money well opens doors for the gospel. Whether your kids are toddlers or adults, it’s never too late to start building better money habits that will echo through generations. How generational money patterns get passed down (and how to recognize them in your own life)Why financial stress affects every area of life—marriage, parenting, and your relationship with GodThe power of testimony: How one mom in her 50s inspired her adult kids to make radical financial changesPractical ways to teach financial literacy in daily life (with real examples you can use today)Why money problems often reveal deeper needs for community, purpose, and connectionHow to include kids in family financial goals without overwhelming themThe surprising connection between faithful money management and gospel witnessWhy pastors and ministry leaders struggle to talk about their own money challenges Key Quotes “I thought it was too late, but they’re watching. And that was the, it’s the power of a testimony. It’s the power of a changed life.” – Andy Yoder “You’re handling money well, that opens up the doors for the gospel to go forth… the way that I’m handling not my money, but God’s money is, could be a direct result of somebody coming to know Jesus for the first time.” – Andy Yoder “They notice you have conversations about money that aren’t arguments. You know, they notice, oh, oh, there’s a budget meeting. They notice those things, and we don’t always think, but kids pick up on stuff.” – Joy Suzanne Hunt “The most important decisions are the small ones. And that’s where you’re making one small decision at a time.” – Andy Yoder’s mentor About Our Guest Andy Yoder is a Ramsey Preferred Financial Coach who spent years in youth ministry and as an associate pastor before discovering his calling to help families achieve generational financial transformation. After his own journey from financial anxiety to freedom (beginning in 2016-2017), Andy now specializes in helping individuals and couples—especially those in ministry—break free from generational money patterns and build better money habits. His heart for seeing kids stay connected to their faith naturally connects to his passion for helping parents pass on both spiritual and financial wisdom to the next generation. Resources Mentioned Dave Ramsey’s “The Total Money Makeover“Financial Peace UniversityThe Baby Steps Practical Takeaways Teaching Moments to Try This Week: Use junk mail ads to discuss the real cost of financing purchasesGive kids a budget at the fair or store and let them make spending decisionsInclude children in family financial goals with a vision boardDivide allowance into three categories: give, save, spendInvolve kids in Christmas shopping with a set budget per personLet teenagers participate in car shopping discussions (cash only!) For Parents: Track your spending for one week—just observe without judgmentHave one money conversation with your spouse that isn’t an argumentIdentify one money pattern from your childhood you’d like to changeFind one trusted person to talk honestly about your financial challenges Connect with Pastors & Money Email: joy@pastorsandmoney.comInstagram/Facebook: @pastorsandmoneyWebsite: pastorsandmoney.com/podcast The Pastors & Money Podcast helps pastors, ministry leaders, and churches start thriving financially using money as a tool to fuel God’s mission in our churches and families. This post may contain affiliate links. They don’t cost you a penny, but they help provide a source of income for this site. For more information, please see our disclosures.
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  • Beyond Sunday: 7 Strategies to Engage Your Community Through Your Church Building with Loren Richmond

    Beyond Sunday: 7 Strategies to Engage Your Community Through Your Church Building with Loren Richmond
    2025/12/03
    Looking for the Episode Transcript? Episode Description Is your church building sitting empty most of the week while your bills pile up? In this practical conversation with ministry consultant Loren Richmond, Jr., we explore how churches can transform their facilities from financial burdens into thriving community hubs. Loren brings a unique perspective from his years as a pastor, food pantry director, and public housing coordinator. He shares seven creative strategies churches are using to generate revenue while genuinely serving their communities—from music centers and senior ministry programs to emergency response partnerships with utility companies. Discover why the average church size has dropped from 130 to 65 people, how cultural shifts have changed community outreach, and most importantly—how to balance financial sustainability with your church’s mission of creating followers of Jesus. This episode is packed with practical ideas you can implement without losing sight of what matters most. What You’ll Learn Why churches need to rethink their building strategy in today’s financial and cultural climateHow to transform your church building into a music center with lessons, recitals, and performancesCreative ways to serve the growing senior adult population while generating sustainable revenueHow to partner with utility companies for emergency response and crisis ministryThe importance of accounting for true costs—even when donating spaceHow to start slow and set proper boundaries to protect your church’s missionFirst steps to take: pray, survey needs, and assess your resources Key Quotes “The normative size church is 65, so it’s half of what it was [20-30 years ago]. The giving levels just aren’t what they were… So like practically speaking, like the math just doesn’t work.” – Loren Richmond, Jr. “Don’t lose track of what the main thing is… I believe we’re trying to create followers of Jesus here. That being said, find creative ways to engage with our neighbors and reach them where they’re at.” – Loren Richmond, Jr. “We can’t just assume that even though we’re giving space to the Boys and Girls Club or the scouts, there’s a cost to that… It’s gonna be important for us to account for what that cost might be, whether it’s electricity, plumbing, water, wear and tear.” – Loren Richmond, Jr. “You win when you show up. Sometimes showing up looks like making it to the coaching call even when you didn’t do your homework. Sometimes it looks like sitting down for the budget meeting with your spouse.” – Joy Suzanne Hunt About Our Guest Loren Richmond, Jr. is a ministry consultant, pastor, chaplain, and nonprofit leader writing and speaking at the intersection of faith, culture, and church renewal. With more than a decade of leadership in churches and community nonprofits, Loren draws from a deep well of lived experience, both pastoral and practical. He holds an M.Div from Phillips Theological Seminary and an MBA with a nonprofit emphasis from Hope International University. Loren has served in diverse roles from founding pastor to food pantry director to public housing coordinator. He is also the host of the Future Christian Podcast, where he interviews ministry leaders, scholars, and change makers to explore how historic faith can speak meaningfully today. The 7 Strategies Discussed Music Center Ministry – Offers music lessons, hosts recitals and performances, utilizes existing instruments and skilled musicians on staffSenior Adult Ministry Hub – Create socialization spaces, meal programs, and light assistance with daily tasks for the growing 55+ populationEmergency Response Partnerships – Partner with utility companies to serve as cooling/warming centers or emergency response locations during crisesGrant-Funded Community Programs – Develop food programs and other community services that qualify for government or nonprofit grant fundingYouth Ministry Spaces – Address the mental health crisis by creating safe spaces for young people to connect and build relationshipsBusiness Networking Events – Host lunch-and-learns and professional networking groups that serve as valuable “third spaces.”Multi-Purpose Community Hub – Rent to values-aligned organizations like preschools, scouts, AA groups, and sports teams Resources Mentioned Loren’s website: resonatepurpose.orgFuture Christian PodcastThe Church Nerd on SubstackPrevious episode with Ken McQuiller on grant funding for churches Key Takeaways Start with Prayer and Assessment: Pray for God’s directionSurvey needs in your church and neighborhoodTake stock of your physical, human, and financial resourcesLook for the overlap between resources, opportunities, and mission Account for True Costs: Even donated space has costs (utilities, wear and tear, maintenance)Add line items to your budget for space use—even if you’re not chargingWhen necessary, ask organizations to ...
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