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  • How One Pastor Turned His Garage Into a Gym Ministry
    2025/06/25
    In this episode, Steve McKinney, a bestselling author, fitness coach, Brazilian Jiujitsu black belt, and pastor, shares his journey of integrating his passion for fitness with his faith and how it became a gym ministry. He discusses the importance of aging gracefully, maintaining physical health, and how his unique three W approach to fitness can transform lives. Steve also touches on the challenges of maintaining healthy eating habits in ministry and emphasizes the significance of self-care for effective leadership. Resources from this Episode: The Gospel of Fitness by Steve McKinney (available on Amazon) Fitness and More Website Transcript: Joy Suzanne: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes, and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Joy Hunt: Today we have an incredible guest on the show, someone who truly embodies strength, resilience, and faith. Steve McKinney is a bestselling author, fitness coach, and Brazilian Jiujitsu black belt dedicated to. Helping people age strong and live healthier lives. As the owner of Fitness and More Incorporated, he has helped countless individuals transform their bodies through his unique three W approach to fitness. And why is he [00:01:00] on this podcast? Well, Steve is also a church pastor, integrating faith and mindset into his approach to wellness. His book, the Gospel of Fitness, breaks down the Science of Strength training and Nutrition in a way that's practical, sustainable, and life-changing. Well, Steve, welcome to the podcast. Steve McKinney: It's great to be here. Joy, thank you for having me. I'm excited about being here and talking today. The Beginning of a Gym Ministry: From K-Mart Weights to Life-Changing Faith Joy Hunt: So Steve, you've had quite a journey from converting your garage into a gym to becoming a personal trainer, a fitness business owner, and author alongside your ministry. So could you share a bit about your background and how you came to blend your passion for fitness with your faith and your ministry work? Steve McKinney: Absolutely. So, for me, I just always loved lifting weights. I mean, since my childhood. I talk about this in the book, but my grandfather bought me a set of weights when I was nine years old from a place called Kmart. Now, if there's any... Joy Hunt: I used to work there. Steve McKinney: I was gonna say not a lot of people know Kmart, but some [00:02:00] do. And so I always get a laugh out of that whenever I mention it. But they were these plastic weights that he bought me, and I went home and bought this book by a guy named Franco Colombo. And I lifted weights six days a week. Now, I'm nine years old, so I'm not making any gains, but I'm loving it. I'm just loving it! And so then we fast forward. I lifted weights for a long period. Back then, I wasn't walking with the Lord. Both of my parents got sick when they were younger. My father passed away at 49 from cancer. My mother died at 49 on Christmas morning; she died in my arms. Now, the interesting thing about that is her dying words were served. Jesus, tell your brother to serve Jesus. So, at the time, I didn't even know what that meant, and I was trying to go back to church at the time, and it just didn't work. There's a point in time where, you know, we hit that rock bottom moment. I was on my knees. I remember exactly where I was when I just said, "Jesus, you know I've heard a lot about you, but I don't even know if you're real. But if you are, would you show me?" And nothing happened at that moment, but as I was driving to [00:03:00] work a few weeks later, I knew something had changed. Building Community Through Fitness Ministry That was kind of the beginning of the journey.
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  • Creating Spiritual Disciplines and Attention-Rich Communities in a Distracted World
    2025/06/11
    In part two of our conversation with fighter pilot and attention coach Wes Woodhouse, we dive into practical ways ministers can create attention-rich environments that foster deep spiritual disciplines in a distracted world. Learn how to lead by example, establish routines that enhance creativity, and build communities that value presence over distraction. Discover why setting boundaries with technology isn't just good for you—it's essential for effective ministry in today's attention-starved world. Resources: Part one of Focus Like a Fighter Pilot WesWoodhouse.com Interview Transcript: Joy Suzanne: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes, and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Joy Hunt: Today we're continuing my conversation with Wes Woodhouse about attention focus and how we can apply fighter pilot techniques to our spiritual disciplines. If you missed part one, I encourage you to go back and listen as we explored the growing attention gap in our society and how it's affecting our spiritual lives. Let me reintroduce Wes. He's a husband, father, marathon runner, and fighter pilot. His mission is to build up the next generation of [00:01:00] leaders armed to take on the dynamic challenges of the attention age. In 2020, he founded Vector Atlas, a leadership development and attention cultivation agency where he leads a mastermind of committed men, grounded in wise counsel and accountability, striving to live a life of purpose. As an attention performance coach, he helps leaders maximize their potential by focusing on what is most important. In our first episode was shared how his experience as a fighter pilot taught him the critical importance of focused attention and how those same principles can help us. In our spiritual walk, ~~we discussed how the distractions of modern life are creating an attention gap.~~ ~~We discussed how the distractions of modern life are creating an attention gap that affects our ability. I gotta try that again.~~ We discussed how the distractions of modern life are creating an attention gap that affects our ability to connect deeply with God and others. In the second part of our conversation, we'll be exploring practical ways to help our congregations develop better focus habits, how to create environments that foster deep spiritual connection, and how to build communities that value presence. Let's jump back into our conversation with Westwood House. Creating Routines for Spiritual Disciplines [00:02:00] Joy Hunt: Right, exactly. So thinking about from a spiritual disciplines, and just our spiritual life perspective, then, you know, sometimes that might look like, do you have a routine of when you do your quiet time or how you set up so that when you start, you can start, instead of sitting down and getting ready to get ready to get ready, Wes Woodhouse: Yeah. Joy Hunt: do you have a, it may not always work out to be a consistent si time of day. Some people's. Life and number of kids they have is not conducive to that. Wes Woodhouse: right. Joy Hunt: do you have something that can anchor you back into that today? I did my Bible study sitting at jury duty, Wes Woodhouse: Yeah. Joy Hunt: which by the way was very distracting. Talk about attention 'cause they've got the TVs on and Wes Woodhouse: Yeah. Joy Hunt: How loud can I make my headphones where I'll still hear if they call my name? You know, but, so that I'm not hearing the whatever home remodeling show that's playing on the TVs. But I was like, okay, we're just gonna pick up and take this routine that I normally do [00:03:00] sitting at my desk and I'm just gonna do it sitting in a room full of 200 people instead.
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  • Focus Like a Fighter Pilot: How to Overcome the Attention Gap
    2025/05/28
    In this powerful conversation with fighter pilot and attention coach Wes Woodhouse, we explore the growing 'attention gap' affecting our spiritual lives and practical strategies to overcome it. Discover how the disciplined focus techniques used in the cockpit can transform your relationship with God, your family, and your ministry. Learn why our fragmented attention is costing us more than we realize and how simple changes can restore depth to your spiritual life. Resources from this episode: Wes Woodhouse & Vector Atlas Full Focus Planner Part Two of Focus Like a Fighter Pilot Interview Transcript: Introduction [00:00:00] Joy Hunt: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance, and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Joy Hunt: Wes Woodhouse is a husband, father, marathon runner, and fighter pilot. His mission is to build up the next generation of leaders armed to take on the dynamic challenges of the attention age. In 2020, he founded Vector Atlas, a leadership development and attention cultivation agency where he leads a mastermind of committed men, grounded in wise counsel and accountability, striving to [00:01:00] live a life of purpose. As an attention performance coach, he helps leaders maximize their potential by focusing on what is most important. We welcome to the podcast. Wes Woodhouse: Thanks for having me. From Fighter Pilot to Attention Coach: Wes's Journey [00:01:19] Joy Hunt: So to start, you have a pretty neat background as a fighter pilot. Can you share how you got started there and what led you to become passionate about the topic of attention? Wes Woodhouse: Yeah, they are a little bit intertwined. I'd wanted to be a pilot ever since I was very young, before eighth grade. So I figured out what I needed to do to get there. I worked hard, studied hard in high school, and studied hard in college. I got selected. Got my Air Force commission and was selected for pilot training. Studied hard in pilot training. Then I got to fly. I was selected to fly fighters, which is pretty neat. The F-15 is a fantastic jet and can do a lot of awesome things. So it has been a lot of fun. Kind of what spawned out of that experience, and out of the experience of reaching my [00:02:00] goal of becoming a fighter pilot, and then realizing. Wow. I lost my way a little bit. That was the end-all, be-all to become a pilot. And when I did that, that goal was complete. I realized there was no further goal. So I had a period of trying to figure out where my life was going and what I needed to do. I love flying and everything, and that led me down the path of listening to podcasts and reading lots of books. And, combining that with some of the skills that it takes to be a pilot, specifically a fighter pilot, realized that it is very important. I think it is not given the credit that it is due. As far as you know, we all know. Spend your time wisely because you can't bring back any of the past minutes, hours, days, or years of your life. Attention is in many ways the current. The actions that are going on inside those minutes that you are using that you'll never get back. [00:03:00] So, I've kind of been a student of my attention, as well as the collective attention of society. And it's been a very interesting journey. Understanding the Attention Gap in Today's World [00:03:13] Joy Hunt: So you have talked a little bit about the growing attention gap in America, in the world, and some of the things that you've shared and you've written. So could you explain what you mean by that concept and why it matters? For our listeners in this particular podcast are pastors and church leaders, mostly. Wes Woodhouse: Yes, the attention gap.
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  • What Does It Mean to Be Rich Beyond Money? (with Sameer Sawaqed)
    2025/05/15
    In this podcast episode, Joy joins Financial Strategist Sameer Sawaqed of Wealthrive to discuss living rich beyond money.
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  • What Your Money Reveals About Your Faith: Insights from Author Heather M. Day
    2025/04/30
    In this episode of the 'Pastors & Money Podcast,' we welcome author and ministry leader Heather M. Day. We discuss the intersection of faith and finances, emphasizing the importance of inviting the Holy Spirit into financial decisions. Heather shares her personal journey with money and how a crisis led her to trust God over financial concerns. She also explores the spiritual battle tied to our relationship with money and offers practical advice for church leaders to support their congregations in financial matters. Heather's book, 'Money and Spirit,' provides additional insights on aligning money management with spiritual values. 00:00 Introduction to Pastors & Money Podcast 00:36 Missionary Spotlight: Kristin Jenson 04:16 Interview with Heather M. Day 04:57 Heather's Financial Journey and Insights 06:24 Spiritual Transformation in Finances 08:42 Practical Financial Wisdom 12:16 Navigating Financial Struggles with Faith 20:41 The Role of the Church in Financial Education 29:33 Inviting the Holy Spirit into Financial Life 32:11 Conclusion and Resources Resources in this Episode: Money and Spirit: Surrendering Our Finances to the Work of the Holy Spirit by Heather M. Day Barnabas Foundation - Helping Christians give more effectively to ministries Chi Alpha Campus Ministries Financial Peace University - Financial stewardship and education program for churches Crown Ministries - Financial stewardship and education program for churches Heatherday.net - Heather Day's blog and website where she shares resources on faith and leadership Episode Transcript: Introduction to the Pastors & Money Podcast Joy Hunt: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes, and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Today we have a missionary spotlight with Kristin Jenson. She is a missionary with Chi Alpha Campus Ministries here in the US. Let's listen to a brief word from Kristin Kristin Jenson: Hi, my name is Kristin Jenson and I've been working with Chi Alpha here at Salem College. I've been here [00:01:00] for seven years. Missionary Spotlight: Chi Alpha Campus Ministries https://youtu.be/qv67LrRbyjs?si=c-K_x61VYmRFE7CX Thank you so much, Kristin for the work you are doing with Chi Alpha Campus Ministries Kristin Jenson: A day in the life here is. Really every week has been different, just really just building relationships with students and just sharing the gospel as as, as the opportunity arises. And it's been really cool to see just the opportunities here. A big goal of ours has been to start a community of Christians who will. Be discipled and disciple others. And so that is what Chi Alpha is all about. Kristin Jenson: I've been working with Chi Alpha three years, and Chi Alpha is gonna continue here under the leadership of Radon and Kim Haskins. So I'm so excited for that, that just over these seven years a's community of students has formed. And it's a small school, but there is, you know, we have an international student who is our student leader right now and. Just a number of students involved. Kristin Jenson: But I've really enjoyed just getting to know many, many [00:02:00] students over the years and sharing the gospel and just seeing students keeping their faith at college. It's really important to me that that's sort of the essence of the work I've been doing is just building those relationships and. Connecting students to each other, but more importantly connecting students to God. Kristin Jenson: So one of my favorite stories that explains what Salem students are like, is I was having a discipleship meeting with two students. One of them brought their friend and I didn't have the he...
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  • Has Your Financial Goal Become an Idol?
    2025/04/16
    In this episode, Joy interviews financial coach Katie Jones about the spiritual dangers of making a financial goal an idol in our lives. Katie shares her personal journey of paying off $40,000 in student loan debt and how she initially followed conventional financial wisdom that led her to inadvertently worship money rather than God. Episode Highlights: Katie shares how she paid off $40,000 in student loan debt but felt empty afterward because she had made financial freedom an idol The dangers of following conventional wisdom that encourages intense focus on financial goals at the expense of relationship with God How the prosperity gospel isn't just about wealth and private jets but can be subtle desires for comfort, security, and status Why asking money to do what only God can do (provide security, comfort, identity, purpose) is a form of idolatry Practical steps to identify where your money is actually going and what that reveals about your heart How shame often keeps people from seeking help with financial challenges The importance of inviting Jesus into your financial decisions to find true freedom About Our Guest: Katie Jones is a certified financial coach and real estate investor based in Colorado who helps Christians move from feeling disempowered by their lack of financial education to becoming confident and competent stewards of their resources. Her focus isn't on the numbers, but on helping each person grow closer to Christ as they partner with him in becoming better stewards of what they've been entrusted. Katie is also a wife, mom, and foster mom who brings her real-world experience to her work. Connect with Katie: Facebook Group: Christian Money Management YouTube: Katie Fiola Jones Redeeming Your Finances Course Resources Mentioned: Book: "Getting Over Yourself" by Caroline Spencer Book: "Redeeming Money" by Paul Tripp Introduction to the Pastors & Money Podcast Joy Hunt: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes, and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Katie Jones is passionate about equipping believers with excellent money management skills that are rooted in the gospel. As a certified financial coach and real estate investor based in Colorado, she helps Christians move from feeling disempowered by their lack of financial education to becoming confident and competent stewards of their resources. Joy Hunt: Her focus isn't on the numbers, but on helping each person grow closer to Christ as [00:01:00] they partner with him and becoming better stewards of what they've been entrusted. Katie is also a wife, a mom, and a foster mom who brings her real world experience to her work, helping others find true financial freedom the way that God intended. Welcome to the podcast. Katie Fiola Jones: Hey, Joy. Thanks so much for having me today. Katie's Journey with Student Loan Debt Joy Hunt: Can you share a bit about your journey with money, starting with that $40, 000 in student loan debt after college? Katie Fiola Jones: Yeah, yeah. So, that's a great place to start because honestly, my journey to where I am today, obviously, there's lots that went on before that moment of graduation. But I would say my real, true financial testimony kind of began around that time. I was getting ready to graduate from college, and I had this student loan debt. I had no clue. Honestly, I didn't know about student loans at this point except that I knew that I had them, but I didn't know anything about going about paying them off or trying to get it paid off quickly. [00:02:00] But at the time I was working as a property manager for a real estate company. So I was helping other people rent out their rental pro...
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  • Can a Single Mom Break Free from Debt? Shakema Wilson says Yes!
    2025/04/02
    Introduction to Shakema Wilson's Journey In this episode, Joy speaks with Shakema Wilson, a single mom of four who became debt-free and now leads an international women's ministry. Shakema shares her powerful journey from financial struggle to freedom, and how her faith played a crucial role in transforming her finances. In this episode, you'll discover: How Shakema paid off all her debt as a single mother of four children The mindset shift that finally helped her become "gazelle intense" after years of budgeting Why she believes God doesn't want His people in financial bondage Practical advice for pastors struggling with their finances How becoming debt-free has transformed her approach to ministry Connect with Shakema: Facebook: Shakema Wilson YouTube: 1Mom2Girls2Boys8InAll Instagram: @Shakema_Wilson TikTok: @ShakemaOneMom Resources Mentioned: Financial Peace University Introduction to Shakema Wilson's Journey Joy Hunt: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance, and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Shakema Wilson is a single mom, a social media influencer, a teacher, and a minister. She is a proud mom of four and loves coffee, Jesus, and her family. She desires to see women healed and whole and to equip them to be good women, wives, and mothers, and she has a passion and a burden for marriage and family. Joy Hunt: Shakema, welcome to the podcast. Shakema Wilson: Thank you so much for having me. Joy Hunt: I am so [00:01:00] glad you were able to join me today, and can you start by just sharing a little bit about your ministry journey and how you got started Shakema Wilson: Absolutely. So, picture it, Sicily, 1942, right? Here I was, I was at a place in Hamilton, Alabama called The Ramp. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it. But, it's a ministry that our church was in fellowship with, and we were at their winter retreat, and I just found myself. I've always loved the Lord, but I found myself plastered to the floor, feeling like the Lord was calling me to something else. I didn't know what something else was, but I knew that it was more than what I was doing now. And like I said, I've always loved God. It wasn't, I just need more of God. It was like, God needed me to do something for Him. And so in my heart, I said I'll do whatever you want me to do, Lord. I felt very disqualified because of my background, because of where I [00:02:00] came from, because of the trauma that I experienced in my life. And so I kind of ran from the call for about two years. Joy Hunt: Okay. Shakema Wilson: Because I could not believe in my head that God would use somebody like me. I just thought I was too damaged. I didn't have enough. Joy Hunt: I understand. Shakema Wilson: I didn't feel like He could restore me even though He had already restored me. I didn't feel like He could restore me to service. I felt like He could restore me to Himself, but not to service. Like I couldn't do anything other than just serve Him and Him alone. I couldn't lead people. I just did not have the right frame of mind to think that "Yes, God can use anybody He wants to." And so when I decided to accept the calling about two years later, is when the Lord catapulted me into ministry. But it would then still be, you know, sometime much later before the ministry was fully, fully birthed. So that's just kind of [00:03:00] the beginning of all the things. Shakema's Ministry for Women of All Ages Joy Hunt: Can you tell us just a little bit about the ministry that you're involved in now? Shakema Wilson: Absolutely. So the Lord graced me and blessed me to be able to start a ministry called First Love Ministries with Shakema Wilson.
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  • Why Your Church Should Be Praying for Business Owners (And How to Start)
    2025/03/19
    As pastors, we often pray for the spiritual growth, families, and personal needs of our congregation members. Yet there's a significant part of their lives we frequently overlook in our ministries: praying for business owners in our congregation. The entrepreneurs and business owners in your church spend the majority of their waking hours navigating complex decisions, carrying financial responsibilities, and often feeling spiritually isolated in their professional lives. In my conversation with Amy Lykosh of Workplace Prayer, we uncovered a significant ministry opportunity hiding in plain sight. Business owners need focused prayer support, and churches are uniquely positioned to provide it. But how do we bridge this gap? In this episode, Amy shares powerful insights on why business prayer matters and practical steps your church can take to better support the business leaders in your congregation. Resources: Prayer Shield by C. Peter Wagner (Book focusing on the importance of intercessory prayer for pastors and ministry leaders.) Workplace Prayer: Professional prayer coverage for businesses. Make Prayer Beautiful Podcast: Amy's podcast featuring short 5-10 minute episodes on prayer. Transcript: Introduction Joy Hunt: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pastors & Money Podcast. I'm Joy Suzanne Hunt, pastor and financial coach, bringing you conversations about personal finance, church finance and how we disciple our churches in the areas of finance and stewardship. You can find the episode show notes, and more at pastorsandmoney.com. And here's the show. Amy Lykosh brings a unique perspective to prayer and in business and finance through her work with Workplace Prayer. After nearly two decades reviewing books for Sonlight Curriculum, and experiencing her own transformative journey with prayer, Amy now leads a team dedicated to providing prayer support for businesses and training people to pray more effectively. Joy Hunt: Her mission is to change the narrative around prayer and business, [00:01:00] showing how God cares about business and how prayer can transform workplace culture and advance his kingdom. Amy, welcome to the podcast. Amy, to get started, can you share a bit about your journey with prayer and how you came to, to focus specifically on prayer in the workplace? Amy's Journey to Praying for Business Owners Amy Lykosh: Yeah. So my parents actually, because they started a business after my dad had been on staff with a missions organization, they always had morning prayer during the staff meeting and they thought, well, if we're starting a business, prayer should probably be part of that culture as well. And so it was a pretty natural progression in my mind. Like if this is part of your value system, then you should pray. And so, they invited their staff to pray for the business. They did that, and continue to do that to this day. So at this point, it's about 34 years of prayer coverage for a business that has been paid. For most of those years, just paid to the employees. But at this point they also have hired Workplace Prayer as, another [00:02:00] source of prayer coverage. Joy Hunt: So what led you then to start Workplace Prayer Yourself? Amy Lykosh: So I, loved what I saw in my parents company, but about 30 years in, I felt like there are some things that are just large and they're not shifting fast enough. So I felt a little bit like I was trying to water a football field with a garden hose. Like, you could get there in the end, but it would be a lot nicer if you either had maybe like a fire hose or a sprinkler system or rain from heaven. And so I was like, any of these would be a fine option. So I went looking for people who were maybe trained a little bit more in how to pray effectively, because I think most of us don't really view prayer as something that you can maybe get more, skilled in doing. I think we kind of feel like, well, as long as you're talking to God,
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