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  • Going Horizontal: Indigenous Wisdom, Listening & the Future of Work

    Going Horizontal: Indigenous Wisdom, Listening & the Future of Work
    2025/09/11
    Samantha Slade, author of Going Horizontal and co-founder of Percolab, shares her journey from education and anthropology into pioneering participatory leadership and practical ways to work together.Slade reflects on how early life experiences—from teaching in remote Canadian communities to witnessing a revolution in Central America—shaped her views on power, courage, and the need for authenticity in the workplace. Samantha discusses how horizontal practices can transform organizations, why listening is the foundation of collaboration, and how Indigenous traditions influence her approach to leadership and organizational design.Together, we explore:Rethinking Hierarchy – Why organizations don’t need to be monarchies to be effective.The Power of Listening – How listening culture creates psychological safety and shared responsibility.Indigenous Wisdom – Lessons from Indigenous practices on stewardship, spirit, and complexity.Abundance Mindset – Power and knowledge as renewable and expansive resources.Care & Productivity – How relational well-being directly fuels organizational outcomes.Watch this episode on YouTubeListen on: [Apple Podcasts] | Spotify | [Pocket Casts] | [RSS Feed]ThemesHorizontal Leadership – Moving from command-and-control to collaborative structures.Courage & Authenticity – Bringing full humanity, including difficult emotions, into the workplace.Indigenous Practices – Integrating stewardship, reciprocity, and spirit into modern organizations.Listening as a Practice – Developing cultures of deep listening to build trust and effectiveness.Abundance & Power – Reframing power as limitless and collective rather than scarce.Care & Productivity – Understanding care not as a distraction but as the driver of engagement.TimestampsBeginnings & Inspirations00:00 — Welcome & Introduction of Samantha Slade00:39 — From education to questioning hierarchy02:48 — Founding Percolab as an applied research labEarly Life & Formative Experiences05:45 — Teaching in a fly-in community in Northern Canada07:56 — Witnessing revolution and resilience in Nicaragua09:40 — Surviving a human trafficking attempt and finding courage13:24 — Reconnecting authenticity and emotions in workspacesWorkplace Dynamics & Horizontal Practices16:19 — Why workplaces are monarchies, not democracies17:56 — Gallup research on global employee disengagement19:09 — Small shifts that transform organizational culture21:01 — Talking circles and conflict resolution in practiceAbundance, Reciprocity & Indigenous Wisdom22:50 — Open-sourcing practices & shifting from scarcity to abundance24:30 — Standing on the shoulders of cultural traditions26:20 — Why Going Horizontal is an action, not a destination29:10 — Scaling collaboration: from small groups to large organizationsTrust, Structure & Leadership35:36 — Building conditions for trust in organizations37:00 — Horizontal systems are structured, not structureless39:56 — Key diagnostic: listening culture as a first step42:28 — “Listen For” – a game to cultivate listening practicesCare, Power & Decolonization43:46 — Why care and productivity belong together47:32 — Navigating crises collectively, not alone50:25 — Power as abundant rather than scarce54:09 — Decolonizing organizational practices59:18 — Stewardship and the “Keeper of Spirit” roleSuccess Stories & Closing Reflections01:06:58 — Revitalizing Inuit language and agency through strategic planning01:12:56 — Shifting from performative to well-being indicators01:16:05 — Closing gratitude & reflectionsReferences📖 Going Horizontal: Creating a Non-Hierarchical Organization, One Practice at a Time – Samantha Slade📚 Tyson Yunkaporta – Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World📚 David Snowden – Work on complexity and sense-making📖 Wade Davis – The Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World📚 Otto Scharmer – Theory UTranscriptLucas Tauil (00:02.044)Today we welcome Samantha Slade, author of Going Horizontal, creating a non-hierarchical organization, one practice at a time. Samantha Slade is the co-founder of the Percolab, where she pioneers culture-driven practices and operational tools to grow participatory leadership. Sam, such an honor to have you here. Welcome.Samantha Slade (00:28.066)Thank you so much. I'm delighted to be here.Lucas Tauil (00:31.325)Could you start by sharing a bit about your journey and what first drew you into working with horizontal organizations?Samantha Slade (00:39.98)Hmm. Where to start? How far back should I go? So I mean, I can start with a professional worker, Samantha. My first career was in the realm of education and I was very successful in it and went up the ladder. And as I went up, I just kept feeling stranger and stranger inside my belly that something was amiss, that this wasn't howthe world was supposed to work. This wasn't how I was designed to function. And until after...
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  • Economies That Flow: An Open Source Blueprint

    Economies That Flow: An Open Source Blueprint
    2025/09/04
    In this episode, Lynn Foster—champion of open-source software and co-author of the Value Flows vocabulary—shares her journey from corporate software development to creating commons-based economic infrastructures. She explains how Value Flows provides a shared language for representing economic activity, enabling projects and organizations to coordinate without relying on siloed systems. At the heart of this work is REA accounting (Resources, Events, Agents), an elegant model that traces real-world flows of resources and interactions across networks.Foster explains how Value Flows and REA accounting enable interoperability across distributed systems and why ontologies, that is shared vocabularies are critical for both people and software to communicate effectively. She also reflects on the real-world impact of projects such as cooperative supply chains and regenerative networks.Lynn Foster explores:Code vs. Community – How open-source software becomes powerful when a community organizes around it.From ERP to REA – Why flow-based accounting creates clarity across networks and ecosystems.Networks of Networks – The potential of Value Flows and Holochain integration to connect grassroots initiatives.Watch this episode on YouTubeListen to this episode:Apple Podcasts • Spotify • Pocket Casts • RSS FeedThemes:Open Source as Commons – How shared vocabularies and cooperative communities make technology durable.Ontologies & Interoperability – Why common data meanings allow software ecosystems to plug and play.Flow-Based Accounting (REA/Value Flows) – Moving beyond double-entry into transparent, cross-network flows.Distributed Architectures – What makes Holochain different and better suited for decentralized collaboration.Regenerative Supply Chains – Lessons from the Carbon Farm Network and other next-economy experiments.Contribution Economies – Models that reward contributions fairly and support resilience.Timestamps:Origins & Foundations00:00 — Opening reflections on open source as a growing seed01:53 — Lynn’s background and introduction to Value Flows & hREA03:07 — Leaving corporate software to build economic commons04:35 — First “aha moment” in open source: a stranger contributes a logo05:08 — The difference between open source code and open source communityValue Flows & Ontologies06:20 — The Open App Ecosystem: modular tools like Lego blocks06:52 — Why vocabularies are needed for interoperability07:40 — APIs vs. shared vocabularies: simplifying collaboration08:17 — Ten years of Value Flows: what has evolvedPatterns & Flows08:40 — Conway’s Law: communication shapes technology10:30 — Supply chains and the shift from “best company” to “best supply chain”11:16 — Trust and transparency across enterprises12:20 — Expanding the surface of cooperation rather than competingREA & Network Resource Planning13:50 — REA explained: Resources, Events, Agents15:35 — Three layers: policy, planning, and observation16:55 — Directed graphs: tracing resource provenance and flows18:10 — From ERP’s silos to NRP’s networks19:30 — Working with Sensorica on open hardware and contribution accountingOntologies in Practice21:09 — What ontologies are and why they matter22:53 — Shared meaning for humans and software alike24:28 — Configurability and taxonomies: flexibility without lock-in26:54 — Digital Product Passports in the EU as a use caseDistributed Systems & Carbon Farm Network27:58 — What makes Holochain unique: no central servers29:35 — Using Value Flows to connect Holochain networks31:30 — hREA as a generic backend for many user experiences31:55 — Case study: the Carbon Farm Network in New York33:21 — Supporting sustainability and local supply chains34:46 — Challenges: funding cuts, infrastructure closures, systemic inequality36:30 — Possibilities for cooperative ownership of spinning millsBroader Applications & Future Directions38:45 — Offers/Needs apps, mutual credit, barter, and gift economies40:58 — Contribution economies and benefit distribution algorithms42:10 — EU projects: Reflow, Fab City, and The Weathermakers43:50 — Expanding agents/resources to rivers, forests, carbon, nitrogen45:46 — Regional planning and resilience after crises47:28 — Building relationships now for resilience in uncertain futures49:41 — Small pieces of the puzzle: upward spirals of collaboration51:00 — Closing reflections on the importance of collective effortReferences:REA Accounting Model – Bill McCarthyValue Flows Vocabulary – Co-created by Lynn Foster, Bob Haugen, and collaboratorsDigital Product Passports (EU Initiative) – Ongoing regulatory frameworkSensorica – Open value network experiments in contribution accountingTranscriptLynn Foster (00:00.076)I think open source is one of these seeds that's kind of growing within the beast, so to speak, where it organically appears and it wants to be born. It takes us beyond the...
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  • Reciprocal Obligations: The Heart of Mutualism

    Reciprocal Obligations: The Heart of Mutualism
    2025/08/28
    Sara Horowitz, founder of the Freelancers Union and author of 'Mutualism: Building the New Economy from the Ground Up', shares her journey into mutualism.Horowitz is a former chair of the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and a recipient of the MacArthur Fellowship. Her work has been covered by NPR, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Atlantic, among other outlets. She describes herself as a lifelong mutualist and lives in Brooklyn, New York.Horowitz emphasizes the need for reciprocal obligations and community building, sharing insights from her family history and the experiences in creating the Freelancers Union Insurance Company. The conversation explores how we can learn from the past to build effective organizations and outlines a vision for a mutualist ecosystem. Watch this episode on YouTubeListen to this episode:Apple PodcastsSpotifyPocket CastsRSS Feed Themes:Mutualism as a framework – Understanding its three principles and how they differ from socialism or capitalism.Safety nets and reciprocity – Why peer-to-peer systems of care provide resilience in uncertain times.Historical lessons – From unions, Mondragon, and religious organizations to modern co-ops and movements.Patient capital – Models for financing ecosystems without extractive pressures.The role of government – Creating sandboxes, infrastructure, and scaling mutualist innovations.Self-determination and community – Finding your group, nurturing trust, and building resilience together.TImestamps:Opening & Context00:00 — Sara on neighbors, connection, and joy in supporting others00:41 — Lucas introduces the Holochain Foundation sponsor01:58 — Introducing Sara Horowitz, Freelancers Union founder & author of MutualismSara’s Journey into Mutualism03:25 — Family roots in unions and cooperatives05:19 — Rethinking safety nets: beyond government and charity07:23 — What we’ve lost in the social fabric of business and communityPrinciples & Practices of Mutualism09:22 — Defining mutualism: solidarity, economic mechanism, generational time horizon11:38 — Political homelessness & decentralized strategies13:34 — Reciprocal obligations: indivisible reserves, Green Bay Packers, and cooperative modelsBuilding Safety Nets Today15:48 — Learning from past cooperative institutions17:48 — Babysitting co-ops and neighborhood organizing19:44 — From transactional to relational economies21:27 — The founding of Freelancers Union & portable benefitsVision of Mutualist Ecosystems24:20 — Building networks and small beginnings26:16 — Practical examples: Molly Hempstreet & industrial cooperatives28:15 — Pillars of a mutualist ecosystem: organizations, government, training, capital30:18 — Patient capital: seedling stage, fellowships, program-related investmentsRole of Government & Institutions35:03 — Sandboxes, safe spaces, and infrastructure36:54 — Religious organizations and mutualist hard-coding39:20 — Disaster recovery & the risks of outsourcing mutual aidScaling Mutualism41:32 — Scale as mycelial networks and feedback loops43:48 — Trust as the foundation of markets and democracyChallenges & Future Directions45:53 — Where to start: local communities, co-ops, book groups47:52 — Distinguishing mutualism from socialism and communism49:38 — Wealth concentration & collective survival51:26 — Unusual alliances: bridging divides through shared needs53:34 — Self-determination, faith, and forgiveness in hard timesClosing54:59 — Beginners in mutualism: the courage to start55:46 — Farewell & invitation to join the Mutualist SocietyResources & References:📖 Mutualism: Building the Next Economy from the Ground Up – Sara Horowitz 📜 The Rochdale Principles – Early cooperative movement guidelines 📚 Mondragon Cooperative Model – Basque Country, Spain📚 United Mine Workers of America – Historical labor organizing📖 The 10 Laws of Trust: Building the Bonds That Make a Business Great📖 The End of History and the Last Man – Francis Fukuyama📚 Ashoka & Echoing Green – Fellowship programs for social entrepreneursTranscriptSara Horowitz (00:00.088)You better really be connected to your neighbors. You really have to start to know the people around you and be connected to them in a peer-to-peer way because you don't know when you're going to need help. And it turns out supporting other people is probably one of the best things you can do to give your life joy.Narrator - Clara CheminWelcome to Entangled Futures with Lucas Tauil, where we explore mutuality and conversations towards a world that works for everyone.Lucas Tauil (00:41.4)This episode is brought to you by the Holochain Foundation. Holochain is creating technology that allows people to team up, share information, and solve their own problems without needing a middleman. Creating carriers that cannot be captured, Holochain enables privacy and holds space for innovation and mutuality. I first came ...
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  • Beyond Hierarchies: Collective Intelligence at Scale

    Beyond Hierarchies: Collective Intelligence at Scale
    2025/08/21
    Jean-François Noubel, visionary thinker and researcher in the field of collective intelligence, explains that for collective intelligence to truly scale, we must both see and be seen. Like in a jazz band, where every player senses the whole to improvise in harmony, societies also need a reciprocal view of the whole—only on a much larger scale.Known for his work on how humanity can evolve beyond ego-centered systems, Jean-François explores how narratives, language, and invisible architectures shape the way we organize ourselves, and how emerging technologies can help us transcend the limitations of pyramidal power structures.In this conversation, he shares stories and insights that reveal how myths, grammar, and currencies act as the social DNA of our systems—and why re-designing them may be essential for humanity’s next evolutionary step.Watch this episode on YouTubeListen to this episode:Apple PodcastsSpotifyPocket CastsRSS FeedThemes:The Power of Stories and Myths – How narratives guide consciousness and collective action.Paradigms and Unstated Assumptions – The invisible beliefs that shape our systems and behaviors.Language as Invisible Architecture – How grammar and words embed domination and possibility.The Middleman and Pyramidal Systems – Why concentration of power creates fragility.Distributed Technologies – Designing resilient, living systems for the future.TimestampsOpening & Framing00:00 — Collective intelligence in small groups vs pyramidal systems01:43 — Sponsor: Holochain Foundation & Lucas’ personal journey02:59 — Introducing Jean-François Noubel & his visionStories & Narratives04:53 — Why stories and myths are the strongest forces in human evolution07:16 — Narratives as holograms of culture and consciousness08:12 — Paradigms and Donella Meadows’ “Leverage Points”Paradigms & Assumptions09:58 — Hidden cultural assumptions: gender, slavery, eating animals12:18 — Invisible architectures: language, currency, time, and codes14:38 — Challenging assumptions: veganism, language, and thingificationLanguage & Grammar16:56 — Patriarchy embedded in grammar18:46 — Removing the verb to be and reducing “social violence”21:11 — Language as domination vs language as responsibility22:17 — Causality vs synchronicity: why our languages limit perceptionTechnology & Evolution24:04 — Written language and centralization of power26:17 — From oral to pyramidal systems: writing as keystone technology28:43 — Scarcity currencies and concentration of power32:23 — The role of the middleman (agents, rules, data)34:44 — Why bureaucracies grow and become self-servingDisintermediation36:36 — Concentration of money and power: systemic feedback loops38:33 — Limits of the middleman and blockchain’s shortcomings40:16 — Distributed living systems and decision-making43:31 — Pyramidal bottlenecks vs distributed resilience45:07 — Humanity’s evolutionary need for distributed intelligence47:32 — New grammars for synchronicity and emergenceCurrencies & Agreements49:29 — Meta-grammar for agreements51:22 — Designing currencies as living stories52:59 — How the Holochain story has evolved over the yearsAI & Holopticism55:20 — Artificial intelligence as augmented collective intelligence57:20 — Wrapping up: Holopticism as sensing the whole togetherClosing58:10 — Outro & invitation to subscribeResources and References📖 A Brief History of Everything – Ken Wilber📜 Leverage Points: Places to Intervene in a System – Donella Meadows📜 Towards a Commons Culture – Paul Krafel🏆 Elinor Ostrom’s Nobel Prize work on Design Principles for the CommonsTranscriptJean-François Noubel (00:00.322)From a collective intelligence perspective, the best setting as human beings, we do play sports in small teams. The jazz bands, we start as a small group and the family. So we have a cognitive system optimized for small groups. But it has limitations. When you want to do big things, it can't work. You need to unite more people. So we shifted to pyramidal collective intelligence.It has centralized power, chain of command, labor division, and a scarce currency. Because the scarcity of currency will create the concentration of power. One of the properties that we like in small groups, we call it holopticism. A holos, a hole, and opticism, see the hole. And so I know what I can do in my sports team or in my jazz band becauseI have a representation of the whole. I know what the whole does, so I know what actions I can do in the whole. Every time you have a pyramidal structure, you let a minority of people to deal with something so big, they can't embrace the complexity. If you don't give them augmented holopticism, which distributed systems will need to provide, then they can't work. You hitthe glass wall.Lucas Tauil (01:43.48)This episode is brought to you by the Holochain Foundation. Holochain is creating technology that allows people to team up, share ...
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  • Towards a Commons culture

    Towards a Commons culture
    2025/08/14
    Paul Krafel, author of Shifting, Nature's Way of Change, teaches about a dimension of possibilities for life, a space of positive and negative feedback loops. A naturalist, educator and charter school founder, Paul Krafel explains how this dimension of possibilities for life can help us navigate dread and avoid time lag traps. His decades of careful observation reveal deep natural patterns that can help us navigate the fog of present times.The Interview was inspired by Krafel’s article Toward a Commons culture. Watch this episode on YouTubeListen to this episode:Apple PodcastsSpotifyPocket CastsRSS FeedThemes:Rain Walks & Upward Spirals: Paul’s practice of small landscape interventions to slow water runoff and regenerate land.The Commons Culture: How natural systems, from soil formation to beaver dams, create shared abundance.Thermodynamics & Life: Understanding how energy and flow shape ecosystems and human societies.Decentralization & Resilience: Why smaller, self-organized systems often outperform large, centralized ones.Hope as a Strategy: The psychological and systemic shifts needed to counter societal dread and build a future of shared possibility.Timestamps:• 00:00 — Opening & Welcome• 00:33 — Sponsor & Host’s Backstory• 01:49 — Introducing Paul Krafel & The Vision of the Commons• 03:09 — The Raindrop Metaphor• 05:00 — Rain Walks & Shifting Mindsets• 11:06 — Life Lessons from Rain Walks• 14:54 — Work as Joy & The Second Law of Thermodynamics• 18:14 — Defining the Commons• 21:10 — Feedback Spirals vs. Feedback Loops• 24:37 — Four Strategies to Increase Life’s Possibilities — Part 1• 33:24 — Four Strategies — Part 2• 37:16 — Work, Play & Commons Culture• 41:37 — Hope vs. Dread & Shifting Orientation• 47:02 — Decentralization & Local Empowerment• 51:09 — Time Lags in Systems Change• 55:28 — Design Patterns for Managing the Commons• 57:28 — Consequences Awareness & Education• 59:05 — The Staten Island Ferry Metaphor & Enoughness• 01:00:51 – ClosingResources & References:📖 Shifting: Nature’s Way of Change – Paul Krafel:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2876220-shifting📜 Toward a Commons Culture – Paul Krafel’s essay on shifting systemic patterns:https://roamingupward.net/toward-a-commons-culture/#Toward-a-Commons-culture📚 Elinor Ostrom – Nobel Prize-winning economist on commons governance:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_OstromTranscript Paul Krafel (00:00.088)For me, the commons is anything that did not exist before life appeared that has now an existence partly through the efforts of life and that helped make more possibilities for life.Narrator - Clara CheminWelcome to Entangled Futures with Lucas Tauil, where we explore mutuality and conversations towards a world that works for everyone.Lucas Tauil (00:33.602)This episode is brought to you by the Holochain Foundation. Holochain is creating technology that allows people to team up, share information and solve their own problems without needing a middleman. Creating carriers that cannot be captured, Holochain enables privacy and holds space for innovation and mutuality. I first came across the project in 2018.during my journey into participative culture with Unsparil. My good friend, Hailey Cooperider, pointed me to the green paper and I was blown away by the vision of a local first decentralized internet. I worked for five years on the project and feel very grateful for the support with the show. Enjoy it.Lucas Tauil (01:49.4)Today we welcome Paul Krafel, a naturalist, educator, and charter school founder. Krafel is the author of Shifting, Nature's Way of Change. His decades of careful observation reveal deep natural patterns that can help us navigate the fog of present times. Paul Krafel teaches about a dimension of possibilities for life, a space of positive and negative feedback loops that either increase or deplete life's potential. Acknowledging this dimension and being intentional about it can help us navigate complexity and foster a commons culture, a collective ethic that might turn the tide and heal the pervasive dread and lack of hope we experience in the face of systemic challenges. Welcome, Paul.I'm honored to have you with us.Paul KrafelI'm looking forward to this. Thank you for inviting me.Lucas TauilSuch a treat to have you here. Paul, if you had to choose one image that best expresses your vision of a common sculpture, what would it be?Paul Krafel (03:09.6)It would be the moment that raindrops touch the ground. There's two paths open to that raindrop. One is to soak into the soil, later be pulled up through the roots and contribute to photosynthesis that would create more leaf surface area to absorb more of the sun's energy. And also some of that water would be transpired back into the sky.fall again as rain or settle each night as dew, increasing the amount of water that's available for life. And when the plant ...
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  • Trailer - Laying the Foundation for our Journey into Mutuality

    Trailer - Laying the Foundation for our Journey into Mutuality
    2025/08/13

    Welcome to Entangled Futures, where we explore emergent mutuality. In our first three episodes we will weave conversations with the Naturalist, Paul Krafel, the collective intelligence researcher, Jean-François Noubel and the founder of the Freelancer’s Union, Sarah Horowitz. They will help us set the foundations for the Entangled Futures journey into emergent mutuality.


    This show is brought to you by the Holochain Foundation. Holochain is creating technology that helps people team up, share information, and solve their own problems together—without needing a middle-man. Creating carriers that cannot be captured, Holochain enables privacy and holds space for innovation and mutuality.


    On the first episode Paul Krafel will walk us through a dimension of possibilities for life, a space of positive and negative feedback loops that can help us navigate dread and avoid time lag traps.


    Jean-François Noubel, the guest of our second episode, will speak of his research on the power of having a vision of the whole in small teams and help us imagine this power augmented through tech so that we can better organise and reinvent collective Intelligence at scale beyond hierarchical structures. Imagine whole orchestra’s playing like a jazz band


    On the third episode, Sara Horowitz will share how Mutualism cedes decision-making authority to the communities it serves by giving them economic power. Sara Horowitz’s book reminds us that mutualism is an old idea: "We can look to one another to solve the most intractable problems we encounter in our lives. The instinct to help our neighbours in times of crisis is so natural to us that when we are given the tools to do so we know exactly what to do".

    Welcome aboard! It’s great to have you along for the journey.


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