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XChateau Wine Podcast

XChateau Wine Podcast

著者: Robert Vernick Peter Yeung
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A podcast delivering wine perspectives ex-chateau. Insights, analysis, and perspectives on news and trends in the wine industry beyond winemaking, such as marketing, finance, and consumer trends. From noted wine blogger Robert Vernick (@wineterroir) and leading wine business consultant and author of Luxury Wine Marketing Peter Yeung (@winebizguy), this podcast navigates the business of wine with unique perspectives and insights.

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2020 - 2021 XChateau
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  • Flexibility, not Sobriety w/ Maggie & Rodolphe Frerejean-Taittinger, French Bloom
    2025/10/18

    Pairing their need for a complex substitute for wine, for both pregnancy and professional network, Maggie Frerejean-Taittinger and friend Constance Jablonski enlisted Maggie’s husband, Champagne and Cognac winemaker Rodolphe to found French Bloom. With four years of R&D prior to launch and constant refinement since, French Bloom aims to redefine the alcohol free premium sparkling wine space. Maggie & Rodolphe delve into the creation of French Bloom, exploring its core markets, target customers, and the factors that have drawn them in.


    Detailed Show Notes:

    French Bloom overview

    • 500k bottles (2024)
    • Created a premium NA sparkling category
    • Focused on sparkling to create complexity, can play with layers
    • LVMH minority investor

    4 years of R&D to get the desired quality

    • De-alc process loses 60% aroma (was 90% in 2021), removes the backbone of the wine
    • Built NA wine like Cognac, needs an undrinkable base wine
    • Focused on the South of France (warmer, higher alcohol and body) for stronger wines, more body, Languedoc (more organic 40% vs 3-4% in Champagne)
    • Limoux is the best place for NA sparkling, 300m high, Chardonnay and Pinot Noir, a temple of natural wine
    • Base wine is a bit oxidative, very acidified (used to add lemon juice, now naturally from wine), oaky (new oak, foudre), no sulfites, more tannin
    • Create blends of different reserve wines

    Extra Brut (0% abv, 0 sugar) has a base of 30% reserve wine from 2 years, aged in new oak barrels to give more structure

    Better to make adjustments before de-alc vs after

    Use voile to protect wine from oxidation (like Jura)

    Flash pasteurization is used b/c no abv, sulfites to protect the wine

    NA market

    • Wine, beer, spirits - $10B (2020), $20B (2025), believes $30B (2030)
    • Premium NA sparkling - $0.5B (2025), could double next 5 years
    • Holy grail is quality NA still wine, not there yet
    • Best distributors are wine / Champagne distributors, Thailand/Belgium have NA-focused distributors

    French Bloom customers

    • Biggest markets are Champagne markets (France, US #2, UK, Japan, Australia, Belgium, Germany)
    • Younger (25-45), skew female, appreciates both alc and NA sparkling wine

    Sells 20% DTC globally

    2024 NielsenIQ study on NA purchase behavior - #1 driver - for conscious hosting (aligns w/ French Bloom’s ethos of not excluding anybody); #2 health & wellness; #3 driving

    Marketing is digital first, leveraging Constance as a tastemaker and key opinion leader

    More partnerships - Coachella, French Open, just signed F1 (10-year partnership, 1st ever official NA sparkling wine, Moet Chandon on podium; F1 new fans are 75% female, 50% Gen Z from Netflix series)

    Most effective marketing has been the founding story and authentic storytelling (i.e., Maggie’s pregnancy, Constance’s need for moderation while networking)

    Marketing through top-tier restaurants, hotels, and shops (e.g., Michelin-starred; became the #1 wine sold at Erewhon in 1 week)

    Michelin-starred restaurants have 50% non-drinkers at lunch, 20% at dinner

    No sugar, no additives, organic messaging plays well in California, less on the East Coast

    Uses the term “alcohol free” vs. “non-alcoholic”

    NA trends around NA wine & food pairing, including “moderate pairing” (wine & NA wine/drinks as part of pairing); mirrored cocktails (3 versions ofthe same cocktail - NA, low, full)


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    47 分
  • The Tip of the Spear, Global Wine Auctions w/ Adam Bilbey, Christie’s
    2025/10/03

    Selling the very rare, collectible wines of the world, Adam Bilbey, SVP, Global Head of Wine & Spirits for Christie’s, has a unique view into the state of the wine collector. Adam maps the thought processes and changes in attitude of buyers and sellers of rare wine globally, and he is seeing “green shoots” in the market by mid-2025.


    Detailed Show Notes:

    Adam’s background - started w/ Berry Bros out of high school (2000) at Heathrow Airport shop, moved to Hong Kong in 2010 w/ Berry Bros, Sotheby’s in 2015, Christie’s in 2021

    Christie’s is known for fine art, and wine is part of the luxury group (jewelry, handbags, cars), which is 20% of sales, and wine is 10-20% of luxury sales

    2025 wine auction market

    • Christie’s up 2x YOY Aug YTD, big single-owner sales (e.g., Bill Koch)
    • Challenging market mid 2022-2024, newer vintage prices dropping more, more supply available
    • In a downturn, buyers’ price expectations fall faster than sellers’
    • “Green shoots” in 2025, pricing bottoming out

    Burgundy has taken share from Bordeaux last 5-6 years, Champagne came up and leveled off, Italy is strong in the US but not in Asia, Burgundy is strong in Asia, but leveled off

    Interest in more mature vintages, particularly Bordeaux, is still valued there

    Focus on provenance, people won’t bid on poor provenance anymore

    • 2-tier pricing, people paying for a premium for a great collection, single-owner sales, they like the story of who owned the wines

    With a more global market than ever, people buy from anywhere

    • The US has a broader selection
    • Everyone buys from the UK
    • Asia tends to need more focus (e.g., Burgundy)

    Liv-ex shows -10% pricing last year, -20% last 2 years; auction prices move gradually, often lots don’t sell

    More Millennials and Gen Z customers (45% 2025 from 30% 2022)

    Female customers have been consistent last 4-5 years, a slight dip in the US, and growing in Asia

    Younger generations are drinking younger wines, they like the security of younger wines, have a fear of disappointment in older bottles

    Online auctions require ease of use

    • Christie’s does 2x online auctions vs live
    • Live auctions for key moments, key collections
    • Various owner sales in online auctions

    Provenance is improving with more communication (e.g., purchase & storage records), people working together (merchants, auction houses), and technology (digital microscopes, UV light, carbon dating)

    Provenance is critical, as people remember the bad bottles sold to them over the good ones

    Believes China will make a comeback in the next 2-4 years


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    35 分
  • Breaking down the cost of sparkling wine w/ Weston Eidson, Westborn
    2025/09/20

    Making wine is capital-intensive. Making traditional method sparkling wine is even more so. From less juice from the grapes to double fermentation to more expensive bottles and taxes, Weston Eidson of recently launched Westborn Wine describes the differences in sparkling production.


    Detailed Show Notes:

    Weston’s background: >10 years winemaking in Napa (Silver Ghost), family are wine collectors, interned w/ Jason Moore at Modus Operandi (2012), and acquired extra Chardonnay from Steve Matthiasson

    Westborn was founded in 2018, taking “Grand Cru” or single vineyard level fruit for sparkling wine (e.g., Heintz, Ritchie, Durell vineyards)

    Partnered w/ Russell Bevan (mentor) and Nathan Reeves (made sparkling in Margaret River)

    The goal is to start with high-quality wines and layer on complexity with traditional method aging

    Took 4-5 years to find a stride & hone the winemaking process

    Initially thought it would be 3 years aging vs 6 for 1st release (2019 1st release; 2018 1st vintage just disgorged mid 2025)

    SKUs: vintage, Blanc de Blanc, Rose, Non-vintage

    Luxury priced - $100+

    Solera method perpetual reserve program, late disgorged release, lead to a lot of capital in inventory

    2018: 500 cases; 2025 ~1,000 cases; target ~2,000 cases

    Sparkling production costs vs. still wine

    • Fruit costs the same (growers love it: less shrivel, gets fruit off earlier - less pest/disease pressure; spreads out the work)
    • Press cuts important, ~25% less gallons/ton vs still wine, as they don’t take taille
    • Need to make the wine twice: initial fermentation (vin clair), secondary fermentation (bottled with yeast and sugar)
    • Custom crush costs are slightly more expensive due to double fermentation
    • Bottles are more costly and need to be bought earlier (~$0.15-20 for a standard bottle; ~$1 for sparkling)
    • Taxes higher: $2.40/gallon for sparkling wine, $0.07/gallon for still wine <16% abv
    • Storage and financing costs are higher

    Financing is combined with other brands, which may make it hard to start a sparkling brand as a stand-alone entity

    Look at the business plan over 20 20-year time horizon, projecting cash flow positive in 2027 (9 years from founding)

    Trends underpinning Westborn strategy: following Michael Cruse w/ grower CA sparkling wine, premiumization, sparkling doing relatively well, sparkling being used beyond celebrations

    Take inspiration from Bereche, De Souza (lees stirring in bottle to amp up umami), and Selosse

    People looking for experiences have a tasting at The Art Collective Napa Valley


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    38 分
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