00:25 - Welcome Motzko

03:22 - Marfa recap

07:50 - Connecting and consolidating relationships

11:28 - Marfa highlights

13:50 - Fallout from the Raoul clip

19:16 - Navigating the social media landscape

26:00 - Motzko's collecting thesis

31:41 - Creating an aesthetic experience while scrolling

34:50 - Outside perspectives and judgments

36:37 - Silicon Valley's silence around NFTs

38:58 - Collecting as a means of self-expression

40:25 - Motzko's artist picks: Rafaël and Lorna

44:55 - New Three.js work and the browser as a medium

50:16 - A question of context and framing

51:30 - Exploring Quine by Larva Labs

57:16 - $PNKSTR

01:03:24 - fxhash opens back up

01:05:22 - Is VVV's continued hype sustainable

01:08:15 - The strength of the Avant Gay community

01:10:55 - The difference in culture across chains

01:15:22 - The issue with aesthetic over saturation

01:16:17 - Tezos and artist collaboration

01:18:18 - William Mapan and Superpositions

01:26:30 - Ivan and Sam's departure from Verse

01:33:44 - Verse rundown

https://motzko.net

motzko: https://x.com/motzko

Lorna Mills: https://x.com/lm_netwebs

Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael

Samsy: https://x.com/samsyyyy

William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan

Larva Labs: https://x.com/larvalabs

00:35 - Welcome Redbeard

02:58 - Discovering digital art

05:03 - Too many sellers, not enough buyers

09:13 - Debunking the cabal

15:13 - Power laws, high prices and rising tides

18:42 - Building relationships and community

22:30 - Uplifting voices and building on history

23:17 - The importance of open-minded participation

25:55 - Being part of a movement and making an impact

29:08 - Zoom out and refine your focus

31:28 - Collaborate more, compete less

32:44 - Inside the Whitney selection committee

35:05 - Performance art belongs on-chain

36:03 - Institutions help, community leads

40:35 - Expanding the community beyond X

42:38 - Showcasing the human side of the artists

46:20 - Looking past the tweets and connecting in person

50:15 - The value of innovation

Redbeard: https://x.com/redbeardnft

00:40 - Welcome Hilde Lynn Helphenstein

07:20 - Conservatism in the art world

10:02 - Early exposure to different cultures

11:54 - Conceptual Art, new genres and developing a practice

14:01 - The art world as a performance

16:54 - From Hooters to Art Basel

18:09 - The birth of Jerry Gogosian

22:24 - Problems built into the business model

24:43 - AI and the potential valuelessness of art

30:03 - How social media has changed the art world

34:15 - The myth of inclusivity

39:20 - The pandemic, cultural shifts and NFTs

44:36 - The power of physicality in art

48:45 - We are all memes

50:40 - The power of the network and connection

56:00 - Normalised extremes and impostor syndrome

01:02:10 - The cost of opening up to an audience

01:14:50 - Moving forward and thinking about the future

01:25:10 - Gozo and the importance of texture in digital art

01:30:37 - A missing historical context in NFTs

01:38:30 - What art will look like in the future

01:43:05 - Technophobia and protectionism in the traditional art world

01:49:20 - Cancel culture, polarisation and satire

01:55:52 - A future NFT true believer

Jerry Gogosian Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jerrygogosian

Jerry Gogosian X: https://x.com/jerrygogosian

Gozo - an improbable thread: https://verse.works/series/an-improbable-thread-by-gozo

Gozo: https://x.com/uncertaingaze

00:42 - Welcome Sasha Stiles

04:55 - The foundations for an endless curiosity

09:50 - Connecting with Kalmyk art forms

13:40 - From academia to the arts

16:20 - New York, cultural absorption and parallel careers

19:05 - Living through pivotal technological shifts

21:52 - An ongoing cultural relationship with technology

23:20 - Nick Bostrom, Superintelligence and Attention Is All You Need

26:39 - The role of the writer and language in the wake of AI

28:29 - Talk to Transformer, early tooling and digital exploration

32:58 - Working with an AI co-author

33:40 - A constantly evolving data set

35:30 - Defining the art and shaping the system

38:26 - Loss of nuance online and the impact of live performance

41:40 - Identifying as an artist and blockchain as a multi-media printing press

48:20 - 2020 and people connecting online

52:00 - The importance of community and social media

54:38 - The role of a gallery in an artist's career

58:45 - The stresses of a financialized practice

01:00:45 - theVERSEverse and the growth of an experimental collective

01:06:56 - A Living Poem at MoMa

01:11:23 - Situating AI-powered verse in the tradition of text-based art

01:16:19 - Upcoming writing, work and special events at MoMa

Sasha Stiles: https://x.com/sashastiles

A Living Poem: https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5839

https://theverseverse.com

00:25 – Intro: Raoul Pal

01:05 – Real Vision: why it started after the GFC/Euro crisis

02:06 – Democratising finance content; early crypto coverage

03:41 – Bootstrapping video: “we knew f*** all” era (2013–14)

04:45 – Word of mouth growth; mistakes + learning media/tech

06:40 – Art + NFTs: desire to be part of a cultural movement

09:05 – Crypto Twitter as daily culture; priceless long-term record

10:33 – What is “consensus”? Attention as the driver

13:00 – Influencers vs. durable consensus (fleeting vs. lasting)

14:32 – Do we need museum/gallery validation? Two worlds emerge

16:36 – Museums, value, and attention

17:19 – Counterpoint from museum practice; cultural significance

18:37 – Once museums act, value follows; UK institutions lag on digital

20:56 – Egalitarian internet: anyone can show, few will sell

22:19 – Raoul’s barbell thesis: ultra-culture ↔ frontier tech

24:10 – Living with digital art; display that works vs. doesn’t

25:33 – XCOPY supply dynamics; Beeple’s opposite path

28:05 – Die With The Most Likes: world-building & collector bonds

29:57 – Explaining it to the “old world”; youth curators & A&R analogy

30:52 – People will write the art history; institutions must adapt

32:27 – Contemporary art attention collapse; digital shows done poorly

33:48 – Onboarding wealthy collectors: friction + sticker shock

35:48 – Curation, custody, and NFT funds as bridges

37:22 – Can outsiders “feel it” without the chats? Not yet

38:52 – Is recommending digital art scary? On risk & Lindy effects

40:19 – The collector’s journey: pain → pride → taste

41:57 – Where are we in the NFT art cycle? Re-ratings ahead

43:45 – Token incentives = attention fuel, but fleeting

44:48 – Toward automated, attention-driven art funds (later)

46:11 – Shiny objects vs. signal; what the experiments teach

48:00 – AI upends moats; community as the moat

49:39 – One-to-one media future; end of “one-to-many”

51:00 – Human connection, shared experiences become scarce

51:40 – Art as cultural capsule in an AI world

53:06 – Marfa event as a “marker stone”

54:13 – Small world energy; one degree of separation

55:18 – Thanks + closing…

55:37 – One last Q: why Raoul goes against the grain

56:05 – Rebellion roots; living in the future

57:38 – Do it differently; travel > prestige paths

59:50 – Be yourself in the age of AI; find your voice

01:00:26 – Comfort zone ≠ where the magic happens

https://x.com/RaoulGMI

https://x.com/XCOPYART

https://x.com/kimasendorf

https://x.com/toadswiback

00:33 - Welcome Adrian Pocobelli

01:39 - Discovering the counterculture

07:10 - The desire to collect

13:05 - The Stone Roses, The Smiths, and J. G. Ballard

19:00 - Neoplatonism and psychedelics

24:30 - Learning the craft of graphic design

26:50 - Becoming a broadcaster

29:05 - Finding crypto, Objkt and Tezos

31:35 - The difference between crypto art and art on the blockchain

34:52 - The evolution of the NFT space

39:45 - The complexities of running a marketplace

44:05 - Chain-specific culture

45:51 - The Pocobelli Collection on Verse

46:45 - What does it mean to be a digital gallery

51:07 - The difference between a traditional and digital understanding

54:42 - The thinking behind Artist Journal

01:02:10 - Speaking on inspiration vs. plagiarism

01:08:50 - Derivative culture in the space

01:12:40 - Placing the focus on the art rather than the market

01:14:50 - The Kurt Hustle Collective and WeB'97

01:21:41 - An Italian sensibility and open-minded approach

01:26:20 - The future of digital art

01:31:15 - Creating a welcoming environment for new collectors

01:35:30 - Educating new entrants to the space

Adrian Pocobelli: https://x.com/pocobelli

Kurt Hustle Collective: https://x.com/kurthustle97

Terry Visual: https://x.com/terryvisual

JNK: https://x.com/jnk101

haydiroket: https://x.com/haydiroket

00:45 - Welcome Sebastian Sanchez

08:55 - A journey into digital art

11:05 - Christie's 3.0 and joining the team

17:44 - Developing a commercial mindset

20:40 - Finding the right market fit

22:30 - Nurturing artist and collector relationships

25:05 - Highlights across the last three years

26:58 - Curatorial vs commercial perspectives

30:18 - The effect of an open market on institutional Web3 adoption

32:12 - The closure of Christie's digital art department

35:05 - The implications of digital work in the evening sale

38:42 - Winning collections and building the narrative

43:40 - Dynamics between primary and secondary markets

45:55 - Institutional vs. market credibility

48:00 - The reality of a nascent space

52:04 - A changing collector base

54:26 - A moment of future historical importance

56:19 - Sebastian's artist highlights

57:40 - The emergence of a merged market

01:00:28 - Verse roundtable

01:02:00 - V001: In Real Time recap

01:08:27 - The power of relational dynamics and mixed lots

01:14:26 - Marketing, strategies and themed lots

01:25:25 - Upcoming in-person events and gallery shows

01:27:45 - $PNKSTR

01:30:47 - Traditional art market decline

01:36:30 - Jack Butcher's Gas Wars

01:38:48 - Eric De Giuli and Zero (Broken Symmetry)

01:47:00 - Artist highlights

Sebastian Sanchez: https://x.com/sebastianss527

Lowbie: https://x.com/archivepilled

Thelonious Stokes: https://www.instagram.com/thelonious_art

Sachcoo The Arty: https://x.com/sachcoo_thearty

James Bloom: https://x.com/crashblossom1

Maya Man: https://x.com/mayaonthenet

Joe Pease: https://x.com/joepease

William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan

00:45 - Yeche Lange and Avant Gay recap

05:40 - Series size and collector focus

10:00 - Artist trajectories and release mechanics

13:10 - Art and the Diderot effect

20:10 - Collecting strategies and high-net-worth individuals

24:45 - What if every work was soulbound

28:30 - Cultural stickiness in the face of diluted attention

33:00 - Collecting as self narrative reinforcement

35:28 - Christie's digital art department closure

42:03 - V001: In Real Time

45:20 - Selecting lots and coordinating the auction

52:15 - The risk of exposing markets

56:30 - Rebalancing collections and investing in emerging artists

59:20 - Dream lots

01:02:15 - An art-forward approach

01:07:59 - ACK's piano at Carnegie Hall

01:11:35 - Sasha Stiles at MoMa

01:12:53 - The emergence of different cultural spheres within the space

01:15:40 - An artist-based curatorial program

01:24:45 - Narrative, sales and market realities

01:28:40 - Parker Ito, Hyper-Gamble and community energy

01:30:29 - Artist highlights

01:36:06 - Verse rundown

Elfilter: https://x.com/elfilter_a

Mike Balzer: https://x.com/pxlshrd

Alkan Avcioğlu: https://x.com/evergreendazed

Edward Burtynsky: https://x.com/edwardburtynsky

evil biscuit: https://x.com/bis__cut

Pipilotti Rist: https://www.instagram.com/pipilotti_rist_studio

V001: In Real Time: https://verse.works/exhibitions/v001-in-real-time