Special episode breaking down the state of content creators, content entrepreneurs and how marketers fit in. Including:

• The Rise of Creators in 2025
• Renting vs. Owning
• The TikTok Effect
• Community as Currency
• Revenue Mix
• How to Get Rich as a Creator

Here's a link to the complete study.

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The boys are back with news that OpenAI (led by Sam Altman) is considering a social media platform that may compete with Elon's Twitter/X. Let's face it...we know what this is really about. Joe and Robert bring it home for you.

META's big lawsuit with the FTC gets started. Did Zuckerberg grease the skids enough to get this one through?

Creator Economy jobs (aka content marketing) are up, up, up. Why is that?

And the top Gen AI use cases don't involve marketing.

Marketing winners and losers include databases and Twinkies.

Rants and raves include Superman and faith-based billboards.

This week's links:

META's FTC Case Starts

OpenAI to Launch Social Platform?

Creator Economy Jobs on the Up

Top Gen AI Use Cases

Twinkies Goes 420

The Summer of Superman

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This week's sponsor:

You don't become the world’s most valuable women's sports franchise by accident.

Angel City Football Club did it with a little help from HubSpot.

When they started, data was housed across multiple systems.

HubSpot unified their website, email marketing, and fan experience in one platform.

This allowed their small team of three to build an entire website in just three days.

The results? Nearly 350 new sign-ups a week and 300% database growth in just two years.

Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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Possibly our dumbest episode yet.

Joe and Robert go deep into the dumbery to try to make sense of an incredibly weird (and dumb) week.

TikTok is for sale. No it's not. Maybe it is. Will we know this week?

Elon Musk merges his two companies into one, creating the dumbest valuation in the history of corporate mergers.

And META's AI steals a bunch of copyrighted books. Heck, they've probably already stolen this podcast.

Marketing losers include vibe marketing and Hooters.

Raves and commentary include Gartner and Chris Ross and how the tariffs will affect marketing spending.

This week's links:

Amazon Interested in TikTok

TikTok Looming Deadline

Elon's Merger Is Dumb

META Steals Copyrighted Books

Ghibli Effect Takes Over ChatGPT

Hooters Bankruptcy

Chris Ross from Gartner

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A very special episode on what makes a successful content marketer or content creator. Robert and Joe talk about what works today to successfully build and monetize an audience with these five keys.

1. For marketers, setting a clear goal up front - sales, savings or sunshine and then find a measurement tool that aligns with current corporate measurement. From the creator side, what's my goal? You exit at the beginning.

2. What's the show for your particular audience AND is it consistent AND is it (or will it be) indispensable? To the point - do I have a tilt that is unique, interesting AND attracts financial support?

3. Build audience like crazy at the start and try not to sell anything...or sell just one thing. Put 1/3 time into the content and two-thirds into promotion.

4. Considering everything, we'd lean toward a video podcast series, which takes advantage of all the social video and the cost effectiveness of podcasts. Then we'd have some kind of email deliverable, at least to get the data...but ultimately a newsletter.

5. Create THE LIST of good and bad things you do/want to do. Develop a stopping list.

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New data suggests that advertising growth is slowing. Overall marketing is soon to follow. Will the current political environment drive us into a marketing recession?

Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei proclaims that AI will take over all coding in the next year. Robert takes offense and the boys talk about the reasons these types of proclamations are made.

And is AI slop a brute force attack on the major platforms? The point? AI content is taking over YouTube, TikTok and Facebook and the platforms simply don't care.

Marketing losers are Unilever and the NFL.

Rants are the AI-ification of press and the killing of Voice of America.

This week's links:

Ad Growth Slows

Anthropic CEO Predicts AI Coding Takeover

AI Slop Is Non-Stop

Unilever's Big Mistake

Adobe and AI Agents

The Death of Voice of America

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The boys are back and the buys are heating up.

Food-delivery startup Wonder purchased Tastemade, now boasting content creation to meal preparation to delivery all in one. Is more on the way? We think so.

Spotify paid $5 billion dollars to indie creators last year. Is it better to go outside the labels than sign with a big agency?

And Unilever ups their social media budget to 30 to 50 percent of total marketing budget...all for targeted local influencers. But did they forget about employees?

Marketing winners and losers include Southwest Airlines and CMO tenure.

Rants and raves include Substack and shadow AI.

This week's links:

Spotify Pays the Indies

Are Big Music Labels Valuable?

Wonder Acquires Tastemade

Unilever Doubles Down on Influencers

CMO Tenure Study

Shadow AI

Brands Are Launching Substacks

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