https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with SEO powerhouse Lily Ray to unpack the future of search in the age of AI. From her new consultancy Algorythmic to the evolution of E-E-A-T and the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), Lily shares cutting-edge insights on how brands can stay visible in both Google and AI-driven platforms like ChatGPT.

They dive into how SEO teams are adapting to rapid AI advancements, why foundational SEO still matters more than ever, and what’s actually working (and not working) when it comes to ranking in both traditional search and LLMs. Plus, Lily reveals how she uses tools like Claude, Gemini, and ChatGPT to build workflows, analyze data, and stay ahead of algorithm updates.

If you’re a marketer, SEO, or business owner trying to navigate the chaos of AI search, this episode is packed with practical strategies and future-proof insights you can’t afford to miss.

🔍 In This Episode
• 🤖 Why AI search (AEO & GEO) is reshaping SEO strategy
• 📈 How E-E-A-T still drives long-term success in AI and Google
• 🧠 The real relationship between Google rankings and ChatGPT visibility
• ⚠️ Risky AI SEO tactics that could get your site penalized
• 🛠️ How Lily Ray uses Claude, Gemini & AI tools for SEO workflows
• 🔎 The truth about algorithm updates and how to recover from traffic drops
• 📊 Measuring success in AI search when attribution is broken
• 🌐 Why controlling your brand narrative on your website is critical
• 🚀 The future of SEO teams, roles, and AI-driven workflows

This episode breaks down exactly how to adapt your SEO strategy for the AI-first search landscape.

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🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Lily Ray on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/lily-ray-44755615
• Lily Ray's Substack (you should subscribe!) → https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/
Lily Ray's new consultancy algorythmic → https://algorythmic.co/
• Google Discover Algorithm Update → https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2026/02/discover-core-update
• What Does it Take to Rank in Google Discover → https://www.amsive.com/insights/seo/what-does-it-take-to-rank-in-google-discover/
• Answer Engine Optimization Guide → https://www.amsive.com/insights/seo/answer-engine-optimization-aeo-evolving-your-seo-strategy-in-the-age-of-ai-search/
• Google's Crack Down on Self-Promotional Listicles → https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/p/is-google-finally-cracking-down-on
• Lily Ray's Page 2 Podcast Episode 46 → https://page2pod.com/episodes/46-lily-ray
• Lily Ray's Affiliate Summit West presentation → https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/affiliate-summit-west-lily-ray-keynote-2026/286005569

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https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Ross Simmonds to unpack one of the biggest shifts happening in search today: Reddit's rise in Google rankings and AI-generated answers.

After analyzing over 8,500 keywords across 13 B2B brands, Ross reveals why long-tail queries—once ignored due to "zero search volume"—are now driving real traffic, conversions, and visibility across both Google and LLMs.

We dive deep into how brands are losing control of their narrative to anonymous users, why Reddit is dominating bottom-of-funnel searches, and how marketers can adapt with a distribution-first mindset. Ross also shares tactical frameworks for building a Reddit presence, blending organic and paid strategies, and leveraging AI to scale smarter—not just faster.

Whether you're in SEO, content marketing, or growth, this episode will completely reshape how you think about visibility in 2026 and beyond.

🚀 In This Episode
• Reddit now dominates high-intent, long-tail search queries
• Why "zero search volume" keywords are actually gold opportunities
• How AI and LLMs amplify Reddit content in search results
• The 3-account Reddit strategy every brand should use
• Why most marketers fail (and get banned) on Reddit
• How to reverse-engineer viral Reddit posts using historical data
• The shift from "create more" to "distribute first" marketing
• Blending Reddit organic + paid for high-performing campaigns
• How AI tools like Claude are transforming content workflows
• Why distribution is no longer a "nice-to-have" but a necessity

This episode breaks down exactly how modern marketers can win in a world where search, AI, and community-driven content collide.

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🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Follow Ross Simmonds on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosssimmonds/
• Follow Ross Simmonds on X https://x.com/TheCoolestCool
• Follow Ross Simmonds on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/rosssimmondsig/
• Ross Simmonds Personal Website https://rosssimmonds.com/
• Listen to the Ross Simmonds Show https://rosssimmonds.com/
• Foundation Inc https://foundationinc.co/
• Distribution AI https://www.distribution.ai/
• Ross' book Create Once Distribute Forever https://amzn.to/3Q05fTb
• Ross on getting banned from Reddit https://kpplaybook.com/resources/content-distribution-mastering-the-art-of-visibility-in-the-ai-era/
• The Comprehensive GEO — Generative Engine Optimization — guide https://foundationinc.co/lab/generative-engine-optimization

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https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Constance Chen sit down with Louisa Frahm, former ESPN SEO Director and Google Trends curator, to break down the evolving world of news SEO, AI-driven search, and audience-first content strategy.

Louisa shares deep insights from her decade-plus experience shaping SEO strategies at major media brands, revealing how to win editorial buy-in, leverage Google Trends for real-time opportunities, and build scalable content systems that thrive in the age of AI Overviews and zero-click search.

From practical newsroom tactics to forward-looking SEO frameworks, this episode is packed with actionable strategies for SEOs, content teams, and media professionals navigating today’s rapidly changing search landscape.

📊 In This Episode

• 🎯 How to turn skeptical editors into SEO allies through training and trust
• 📈 Why “simple is not stupid” is the key to winning with Google Trends
• ⚡ How to use rising queries for real-time content ideation
• 🧠 The power of utility content and question-based SEO strategies
• 🔄 Why content refreshing is critical in the age of AI and zero-click search
• 🏆 Real-world ESPN case studies on evergreen + breaking news strategies
• 🔗 How to build effective internal linking and content hubs
• 🌍 Why SEO is shifting into full audience strategy across platforms
• 🎥 How TikTok, YouTube, and Reddit are reshaping search visibility
• 🔍 The role of EEAT in an AI-driven search ecosystem

This episode delivers a masterclass in modern SEO—blending newsroom experience, AI insights, and real-world strategy into one powerful conversation.

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🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Louisa Frahm on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/louisa-frahm-67710922/
• Ask a news SEO: Louisa Frahm on Google Trends → https://www.seoforjournalism.com/p/louisa-frahm-espn-news-seo
• TikTok keyword research → https://www.seoforjournalism.com/p/keyword-research-news-seo-tips

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