There are two versions of John Rocker. The one you think you know from the headlines, and the one who sat down for this conversation.

In Part 2, John takes us back to a cheap hotel room off I-295 in Jacksonville, Florida. He was demoted, pitching scared, and counting ERA percentages in his head mid-inning just to cope. Most people would want to forget a moment like that. John built his whole career on top of it.

Not because a coach pulled him aside. Not because he discovered some magic pitch. But because he made a conscious decision to stop being afraid.

What followed was a run that still doesn't get talked about enough. From a 4.5 ERA to 2.1 over 270 innings. From mop-up guy to one of the most electric closers in the game. From Double-A Jacksonville to the World Series at Yankee Stadium.

John also opens up about what it really feels like to close a game, the adrenaline, the pacing in the bullpen like a bull in a gate, how you bounce back from a blown save, and why the mentality of a closer is something you either have or you develop the hard way.

And yeah, the media stuff comes up too. John explains what it was like to have words pulled from a 10-hour conversation and turned into a national headline, and why he stopped doing print media entirely.

This is a conversation about adversity, self-belief, and what happens when a person finally bets on themselves. Whether the listener is in sports, business, or anything in between, there is something real and useful in this one.

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One of baseball's most dominant closers sits down with Craig Harvey for a real, unfiltered conversation about what it actually takes to win.

John Rocker, the fireballing lefty who terrorized lineups with a 100 mph fastball and a filthy slider, opens up about the preparation, obsession, and mental battles that defined his career with the Atlanta Braves. From growing up in Gwinnett County and turning down the University of Georgia to go pro, to going toe to toe with Barry Bonds, Jeff Bagwell, and Manny Ramirez, Rocker breaks down the chess match closers play every single time they take the mound.

But this conversation goes way beyond baseball.

Craig and John dig into the parallels between pitching and business. How the O-2 count mindset applies to anyone on a hot streak. Why falling behind 2-0 demands real strategic thinking over emotion. And how the mental shift from pitching NOT to fail versus pitching TO WIN can change everything about where you end up.

John gets honest about years of grinding in the minors, calculating his ERA mid-delivery on the mound, secretly hoping the 1994 strike would give him an excuse to quit, and the one night in Jacksonville, Florida that completely rewired how he competed. That night led him to the big leagues, the World Series, and 91 career saves.

This episode is about accountability, preparation, grit, and what closing really means in baseball and in life.

In this episode you'll hear about how John got drafted in the 17th round despite elite talent and why he let it happen, what the O-2 count teaches us about attacking when things are going your way, the danger of playing it safe when you should be pressing, why Andrew Jones barely made the Hall of Fame despite having once in a generation ability, how Rocker studied hitters and sequenced pitches in real time, the minor league low point that eventually led to his breakthrough, how NLP and reframing failure changed his entire career, and why your best years might still be ahead of you even when it doesn't feel like it.

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In this episode of The Drive, Craig Harvey and Evan Proach use the Three Little Pigs as a framework for something most people don't expect from a children's book: a real conversation about what it takes to build a business that survives when things go sideways. Evan reads it to his daughter and makes sure she understands that bacon and bits are lazy, Wilbur does the work, and the wolf always shows up eventually. The question is whether what you built can take the hit.

The bulk of the conversation is Craig and Evan unpacking what "brick" actually means in business: Belief, Resilience, Innovation, Character, and Knowledge. It's honest, a little rough around the edges, and grounded in real experience, including delivered death benefit checks, passed-on shortcuts that cost millions, and the kind of hard-earned perspective that only comes from staying in one lane long enough to actually master it.

What do ministry, swimming pools, and final expense insurance have in common? For Keith Thomason, they're all chapters in one of the most remarkable origin stories in the insurance industry.

In this episode, Craig sits down with his longtime mentor, Keith Thomason — a man who led an organization to $45 million in final expense premium with 1,200 agents under his leadership. But before the millions, there was a seminary degree, a planted church, a business that crashed in 2008, and one license plate that changed everything.

In this episode, we cover:

Keith's faith-driven upbringing in small-town East North Carolina and his spiritual awakening in high school
His years in ministry — planting what became the largest worshiping congregation in the NC Methodist Conference
Why he walked away from the church he built with $8,000 and a dream
How a stranger's Mercedes with the plate "CLOSER" led him to commission-only sales
Surviving the 2008 financial crash and starting over from scratch
How Keith invented "The In and Up" — the closing technique now used industry-wide
Building a duplicatable system that took average agents to six figures
The "Love Songs" convention that became a turning point for his entire organization
Why agents build businesses but leaders build companies
What Keith wants to be remembered for — and the legacy he's building every single day
Whether you're an entrepreneur, a sales professional, or someone grinding through a dark season wondering if it's worth it — Keith's story is proof that the comma always follows the period.

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What if the advice that changed your business came from a stranger sitting next to you on a plane? That's exactly what happened to Craig Harvey.

On a random Delta flight, Craig found himself seated next to Richard Anderson, the CEO of Delta Airlines. What followed was a 40-minute masterclass in leadership that Craig has never forgotten.

In this episode of The Drive, Craig and Blair break down the three things Richard Anderson told him at 30,000 feet:

1. Culture drives commerce. Your people are your product. If your employees won't wear the company shirt, that's your report card.
2. Eat your own dog food. Anderson was sitting in economy. On his own airline. That one says everything.
3. Learn from your losses. Anderson once took Delta into a billion-dollar loss and kept his job. Here's why.

Craig and Blair also get into what real loyalty looks like, the CULTURE acronym Craig built his whole company around, why you can't want success more for someone than they want it for themselves, and what it feels like to win a race and still miss the point.

This one's packed. If you build teams, lead people, or just want to get better at what you do, this episode is for you.

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Craig Harvey sits down with Garrett Hollifield, aka "The Big Deal," a top producer who made $2 million last year and led a team of 600+ agents to $35 million in premium. In this conversation, Garrett gets real about how a recession pushed him into insurance sales, what it actually takes to build a team that size, and why the guys who win long-term are the ones who stay humble while still going after it hard. From selling mix tapes at 16 to making partner in under 5 years, his story is worth hearing. If you're new to the industry or just trying to figure out your next move, this one's got something for you.

Topics covered:

• Growing up as a hustler and an athlete
• Finding NASB during a recession
• Building a team of 600+ agents
• Coaching 3 Rookies of the Year in 6 years
• Confidence vs. humility as a leader
• Dealing with people who leave your organization
• What it means to leave a legacy

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How many people make their first million by 32 — without a trust fund, nepotism, or connections? Evan Proach did exactly that.

In this episode of The Drive, Evan sits down to share his incredible journey from working at his family's landscaping nursery in Uniontown, Ohio, to building one of the largest insurance organizations in the country — the Sales Mafia — under North American Senior Benefits.

🔑 What you'll learn: • How a ride-along with a friend (who lost his license) changed Evan's life forever • The moment in a 78-year-old woman's living room that opened his eyes to the insurance industry • How he told his dad he was leaving the family business • Making $101K in his first 12 months in insurance • Surviving the loss of 50-60% of his team — and bouncing back stronger • The mindset and work ethic that took him from $250K/year to $5M+/year • Why your biggest losses often become your greatest wins

Evan went from splitting $300-400/day doing storm cleanup with his brother to leading an organization on track to do $50 million in premium this year — with an average team member age of 24-27.

Whether you're in sales, insurance, entrepreneurship, or just looking for the motivation to bet on yourself — this one's for you.

In this episode of The Drive, Craig sits down with Jordan Smith, known as "The Natural," to talk about going from never earning six figures after 10 years in sales to generating over $50 million across his career. Jordan shares the 7 tips that shaped his path, from setting a millionaire goal and owning your responsibility, to building a scalable skillset and developing the kind of personality that attracts people and opportunity.

To learn more about Craig Harvey and access resources to help scale your business from $100,000 to $1 million, visit harveytime.com.