What happens when the toolkit that built your success stops working for the life you actually want to live? In this episode, Brad Cooper sits down with Kathy Robinson — former Wall Street veteran and chief audit executive turned author and coach — for a wide-ranging, rabbit-trail conversation about reinventing the next phase of life.

After 33 years in corporate (18 on Wall Street, 15 at a Fortune 250 company), Kathy walked away at 55 — a full decade before she'd planned. Here she unpacks the messy, unmapped "liminal space" between chapters and why high achievers can't think their way through it: they have to feel their way forward.

Along the way, Brad and Kathy dig into doing "the wrong work the right way" versus "the right work the wrong way," why success can be the very thing that traps us, how longevity has quietly rewritten the entire retirement playbook, and why the smartest move isn't burning the ships — it's running parallel until you're certain. Whether you're 37 or 72, dreaming of "someday" or standing at the edge of a leap, this conversation offers a grounded, honest map for finding purpose in the years you didn't used to count on.

Kathy's advice for anyone feeling the pull but held back by responsibility: stay until you're certain, don't do anything reckless, and remember — it's not binary.

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Many coaches will back away the moment a client's voice cracks. Dr. Michael Arloski thinks that instinct — however well-intentioned — is quietly undermining the behavior change we're hired to create.

Michael has been in the wellness field since 1979. He's a licensed psychologist, a National Board-Certified Health & Wellness Coach, an ICF Professional Certified Coach, CEO of Real Balance Global Wellness Services, author of one of the foundational texts in our field (Wellness Coaching for Lasting Lifestyle Change), and the creator of the Wellness Mapping 360 model. Few people alive have watched this profession grow up the way he has.

In this conversation we get specific about the line between coaching and therapy — where it actually sits, versus where anxious coaches imagine it sits. Michael unpacks what happens to lasting change when a coach sidesteps emotional content entirely, what it looks like to tap into a client's emotion without drifting into therapy, and the go-to move he uses when a client is clearly sitting on something they haven't named. We also get into the part nobody talks about: how much of this depends on the coach's own emotional regulation and self-awareness rather than technique.

If you've ever felt under-qualified to sit with a client's emotion, this one's for you.

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Whether you're 25 or 75, protecting and enhancing your brain health matters right now. In this episode of The Coaching Lab, Dr. Brad Cooper and co-host Sabryna Liddle sit down with Trish Turo—brain health educator, researcher, yoga teacher, and National Board Certified Health & Wellness Coach—for a conversation that spans every age and stage of life.

As Director of Brain Health with the Virtual Brain Health Center and Director of Wellness with Kenosis Counseling Center, Trish brings deep expertise from her work with leading digital health organizations including Noom, Hinge Health, Together Senior Health, and Linus Health. With a Master of Science in Health Psychology, she's designed behavior change programs for people across the lifespan—from authoring "A Kids Book About Healthy Habits" to building dementia-prevention programs for older adults.

Tune in to discover practical, evidence-based strategies for keeping your mind sharp, the habits that support long-term cognitive wellness, and why brain health is a lifelong pursuit worth starting today. Whether you're a coach looking to expand your impact or simply someone who wants to think clearer and live better, this is an episode you won't want to miss. As a bonus, here is link to a brand new research study Trish was involved in designing/researching.

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What do you wish someone had told you on day one of your coaching career? In this episode of The Coaching Lab, host Leigh Baker sits down with Sabryna Liddle, VP of Coaching Excellence at Catalyst Coaching 360, for a candid conversation about everything they wish they'd known as new health and wellness coaches—drawing on decades in the field since Catalyst launched in 2007.

Whether you're fresh out of your training program, prepping for your board exam, or a seasoned coach looking to grow, Leigh and Sabryna unpack the real lessons that only experience can teach:

• Why taking fewer notes can make you a more present, more effective coach
• The trap of over-structuring sessions—and how to find the right balance between framework and flexibility
• Talking less, listening more, and getting comfortable with silence
• Why you're the expert in behavior change—and how that frees you from intimidation, even with physicians and executives
• Handling "guns-blazing" clients and sensitive topics with curiosity instead of judgment
• How coaching skills transform your relationships beyond work—as a parent, spouse, and friend
• Sabryna's mantra to always be curious and experiment, and Dr. Cooper's advice to "look for the 7s"—those glimpse moments that point you toward your sweet spot

If you're a coach or aspiring coach craving an honest, encouraging conversation between two pros who've watched the industry evolve over two decades, this one's for you.

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Life is uncertain. How can credible, board-certified health & wellness coaches make a positive difference in the midst of the uncertainty and how might an individual personally benefit from working with a coach? From fears around AI to ongoing life transitions, wellbeing pursuits and more, we take a deep dive in this special episode, featuring Leigh Saner Baker and Sabryna Liddle.

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Ice baths. Electrolyte drinks. Infrared saunas. Recovery boots. The wellness industry has never been louder — or more expensive. But which of these tools actually move the needle, and which are just well-marketed noise?

In this episode of The Coaching Lab, we cut through the hype and get honest about recovery. Dr. Brad Cooper explores the science behind today's most talked-about wellness practices — from hydration and electrolytes to sauna use, cold-water immersion, and the growing world of recovery technology.

What you'll walk away with:

• The truth about electrolytes (and when you probably don't need them)
• Why frequent sauna use has some of the most compelling cardiovascular data in the wellness space
• The surprising caveat about cold plunges and muscle-building
• Low-cost recovery strategies that routinely outperform expensive gadgets
• A rapid-fire verdict on the biggest trends: overhyped, appropriately hyped, or underappreciated?

Recovery isn't a luxury — but it doesn't have to be complicated or costly. This episode helps you separate signal from noise so you can invest your time, energy, and money where it actually counts.

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Work travel can quietly drain your energy, wreck your sleep, and leave even your highest-performing clients coming home depleted. In this episode of The Coaching Lab, host [Host Name] sits down with Beth Jennings, PT, NBC-HWC — a physical therapist and National Board-Certified Health & Wellness Coach — to unpack what real wellbeing looks like for professionals who live out of a suitcase.

Beth breaks down the hidden toll of frequent business travel on the body, mind, and routines your clients rely on, then shares practical, no-willpower-required strategies coaches can bring straight into their next session. You'll learn how to help clients protect sleep through early flights, late nights and time-zone changes; stay active without adding stress to a packed schedule; and design sustainable travel rituals that support recovery instead of burnout.

Whether your clients are road warriors, consultants, executives, or traveling leaders, this conversation gives you a coach-ready toolkit for helping them thrive — not just survive — on the road.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• How Beth's dual lens as a PT and health coach reframes "wellbeing on the road"
• The most common ways travel disrupts the body, sleep, and performance
• Top sleep strategies for early flights, late nights, and jet lag
• Realistic pre-trip and on-trip habits that actually stick
• How to stay active when schedules are packed and unpredictable
• What most professionals get wrong about recovery after a work trip
• Beth's #1 mindset shift for every coaching client heading into travel

About the guest: Beth Jennings is a licensed physical therapist (PT) and National Board-Certified Health & Wellness Coach (NBC-HWC) who helps high-performing professionals build sustainable health habits in a demanding, travel-heavy life.

Learn more about or reach out to Beth at BethJennings.com

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You passed the NBHWC exam — congratulations! Now what? In this episode of The Coaching Lab, Dr. Cooper and Leigh deliver the post-certification roadmap every new National Board Certified Health & Wellness Coach (NBC-HWC) needs. Whether you're aiming for a salaried role at a hospital, corporate wellness program, or insurance company, or you're ready to launch your own coaching practice, this episode walks you through every step.

What you'll learn:

• How to leverage your NBHWC credential on LinkedIn, your resume, and professional bios to signal credibility to employers
• Which professional associations are worth joining (National Wellness Alliance, American College of Lifestyle Medicine, and more)
• The real pros and cons of employment vs. contractor work vs. entrepreneurship — plus hybrid models that let you do both
• Where health and wellness coaches are actually getting hired right now (hospitals, corporate wellness, health insurance, gyms, EAPs) and what salary to expect
• How to start your own coaching practice: business structure (LLC vs. sole proprietor), setting your rates, landing your first clients, and the tech stack you need (scheduling, payments, video, notes)
• Marketing that works for health coaches: niching down, building an online presence without burnout, content creation, in-person networking, referral partnerships, and Google Business Profile
• Scope of practice, liability insurance, client agreements, intake forms, and HIPAA basics for clinical settings
• Recertification planning (36 CEs every 3 years), advanced credentials, mentorship, and peer support
• Mindset essentials: navigating imposter syndrome, setting boundaries early, and building a sustainable practice instead of burning out in year one

Whether you're a brand-new health coach, a wellness professional adding NBHWC to your credentials, or an aspiring coach planning your next move, this episode is the practical, no-fluff guide to turning your certification into a thriving career.

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Contact us: Results@CatalystCoaching360.com
Twitter: @Catalyst2Thrive
Website: CatalystCoaching360.com

If you are a current or future health & wellness coach, please check out our Health & Wellness Coaching Community on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/278207545599218. This is a wonderful group if you are looking for encouragement, ideas, resources and more.