In this episode, we discuss the growing gap between what happens in a real trial and what shows up on screen, why Hollywood keeps inventing drama when the truth is already dramatic enough, and how those choices have reshaped the way the public understands the presumption of innocence.

Our guest is uniquely positioned to see both sides of this gap. Steve Hurley has spent decades as a criminal defense attorney in Madison, Wisconsin. He's also written for legal TV shows and movies including Primal Fear and Picket Fences, for which he shared an Emmy award. When the media portrays defense attorneys as sleazy and defendants as guilty, those stereotypes bleed into real courtroom decisions. Steve shows us what defense attorneys can and must do in trial to counter this.

Come learn along with us!

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In this episode, host Aaron Nelson sits down with Karen Smolar, the Dean of the National Criminal Defense College and former Public Defender in the Bronx, to unpack the real difference between performance skills and being performative.

Karen has spent decades training young lawyers, watching them fall into the same trap: adopting "the lawyer voice" until they sound less like truthtellers and more like TV characters. But trust in a courtroom isn't built on replicating the media. It's built on authentic tone, pacing, volume, and body language.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. Why "performative" and "skilled at performance" are opposites
2. The physical, non-verbal elements of storytelling most lawyers never train for
3. How authenticity earns trust — from clients, judges, and juries

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Law school teaches you case analysis. Becoming a great trial lawyer comes from working hard cases with real stakes and learning on your feet.

In this episode, host Aaron Nelson sits down with Vadim Glozman, a federal defense attorney based in Chicago, who came up under the mentorship of legendary Chicago attorney Ed Genson — a man whose office saw everyone from politicians and alleged mobsters to your everyday neighbor. It's where Vadim learned that behind every case file is a human being, meaning every human has a new lesson to teach you.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. Why the trial lawyer "playbook" doesn't exist — and why the best attorneys are the ones who learn how to figure it out when they don’t know something.
2. How to try strategies that nobody else will — because sometimes the best moves are the ones nobody thinks will work.
3. Why hiring an expensive lawyer can be the smartest move you make — and why we should all value it more.

Whether you're a young lawyer trying to find your footing or a law student wondering what actually separates good attorneys from great ones, this episode is packed with hard-earned insight you won't find in a casebook.

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