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Recruiting Conversations

Recruiting Conversations

著者： Richard Milligan Recruiting Coach
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Welcome to the Recruiting Conversations Podcast, a conversation designed to help Recruiting Leaders who manage a team as well as recruit. Richard Milligan is a speaker, author, strategist, and recruiting coach who built 21 teams as a Recruiting Leader.4C Recruiting 2019 マーケティング マーケティング・セールス 経済学
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  • You're Buried and Begging for Help: 5 Moves to Win the Budget

    You're Buried and Begging for Help: 5 Moves to Win the Budget
    2026/06/16
    You need help to grow. You can't keep doing every part of this yourself and expect the team to get bigger. But every time you bring up a recruiter or a dialer, the conversation stalls, and you walk out with a no, or a maybe that quietly dies. Here's what I want you to walk away with today. You don't earn a yes by asking for help. You earn it by walking in like an owner with a business case and the math behind it. I'll give you a five-move framework I call Making the Case Like an Owner, so you flip that conversation for good. Episode Breakdown [00:01:13] The Tale of Two Leaders Two leaders walk into the same executive's office in the same month. Both are buried, both want help. The first sits down and asks like an employee asking for a favor, says he's drowning and can't keep up, can he please get a recruiter. What the executive hears is an expense and a complaint, cost with nothing on the other side of it, so the answer is some version of not right now. The second leader carries something different. He doesn't ask for relief, he lays out an investment, the cost, the return, and ties it straight to the growth number the company already set. Same request, same executive, two completely different outcomes. The money was rarely the real obstacle. The framing was. [00:02:10] Move 1: Lead With the Math Walk in with numbers instead of feelings. A real recruiter right now runs somewhere around a $50,000 to $55,000 base with another $35,000 to $45,000 in bonus tied to appointments set and hires made. Now your executive is holding a clear picture, a known cost with most of the upside riding on results. [00:02:38] Move 2: Connect It to the Company's Growth Executives fund growth, not comfort. If leadership set a growth number for the year, tie this hire straight to that number, so you're not asking for help, you're showing them how the goal they set gets hit. And there's a deeper version worth saying out loud. The data shows the overwhelming majority of new producers join because of the leader, not the company brand and not the corporate platform. That makes you and your capacity to recruit the highest-return investment the company can make, and a recruiter or a dialer is simply how they protect that investment. [00:03:23] Move 3: Take the Risk Off the Table A lot of these asks die because the executive pictures a big fixed cost with no floor under it. So remove the fear. Load most of the comp onto results, appointments set and hires made, so the money follows the value instead of leading it. And the timing is on your side. The recruiter talent pool is unusually deep right now, with early-career recruiters getting pushed out of other industries by AI. One leader I coached ran a single ad and pulled more than 370 applicants in two days. You can be choosy in a way you couldn't be a few years ago, and that lowers the risk again. [00:04:09] Move 4: Put a Price on Your Own Hours This is the number leaders forget to bring, and it's the biggest one. Your time. Every time you get yanked off the phones to put out a fire, it costs about 20 minutes just to climb back into focus, and across a normal week of interruptions, that's hours of the work only you can do gone. A recruiter or a dialer isn't a cost. It's you buying back the hours that turn into hires. Name that number, and the investment starts arguing for itself. [00:04:45] Move 5: Close With Proof Land the whole case on evidence. I coached a leader who built his recruiting engine the right way, and in 90 days he hired 18 producers who fit his avatar, then 7 more the next month, which added roughly $100 million in annualized volume. You're not asking your executive to gamble on a hunch. You're pointing at a path other leaders have already walked. [00:05:15] Why It Works Executives say yes to returns, not to needs. The moment you stop presenting a cost and start presenting an investment with a number beside it, you're speaking the one language a decision maker buys in. Taking the risk off the table works because most no's aren't really no, they're a fear of a fixed cost with no floor, and a results-based structure quietly dissolves that fear. And proof closes the gap the same way it does in recruiting. A decision maker can argue with your projection all day long, but they can't argue with a result somebody has already produced. [00:05:55] Your Small Win Tonight Write one sentence. If I get this recruiter or this dialer, here's the return in hires and in volume over the next twelve months. One clean sentence that sets a return right next to the cost. Because if you can't say that sentence out loud yet, you aren't ready for the meeting, and now you know exactly what to go build. [00:06:23] Three Bigger Moves This Week Build the comp plan, a base plus a results-based bonus on appointments set and hires made, because that structure protects the company on the downside and signals the role is built to pay for itself. Do the time math, counting the hours ...
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    8 分
  • Your People Nod and Nothing Happens: 5 Moves to Fix Your Vision

    Your People Nod and Nothing Happens: 5 Moves to Fix Your Vision
    2026/06/09
    Here's the Ep 216 summary, following the SOP, in Richard's voice. You've worked on your vision. You've refined the message, you say it on a call, and people nod. They agree, they tell you it sounds great, and then nothing happens. Nobody moves. That quiet frustration is what today's episode is about, because vision doesn't move people just because it sounds good. It moves people when it's clear, when it's personal, when there's real tension, and when you can prove it. Sounding good is actually the trap. I'll walk you through a five-part framework I call Vision That Moves, and most leaders are missing at least three pieces of it. Episode Breakdown [00:01:25] The Reframe: Vision Is a Dream, Not a Sentence on the Wall The Hebrew root for the word vision is chazon, and it doesn't mean a tidy sentence on a wall. It means a dream, something so big you're almost afraid to say it out loud. When I went back and looked at my own vision statement, I was a little embarrassed, because what I had wasn't a dream. It was a flattened corporate sentence that moved absolutely nobody, including me. I'd sanded it down until it was safe, and safe vision is forgettable vision. The day I rewrote it as an actual dream, people started leaning in. Same leader, same team, completely different pull. [00:02:38] Move 1: Aim at the Right Altitude There are three levels of vision. Me vision, which is what the leader gets. Corporate vision, which is what the company gets. And team vision, which is what the person joining you actually gets. Almost everyone pitches corporate vision, the mission statement and the big logo on the wall, while the recruit sits there politely wondering what's in it for them. Team vision is the only altitude that answers the question they're actually asking. [00:03:17] Move 2: Get Out of the Clouds and Into the Dirt A clouds pitch says our culture is great, our technology is the best, everybody here supports each other. It sounds good and means nothing, because every one of your competitors says the exact same words. A dirt pitch is specific. It names a number, a measurable outcome, a tool out loud. People can't grab onto a cloud. They can grab onto a number. [00:03:57] Move 3: Add Tension A vision with no gap creates no movement. If where they are right now and where you're pointing feel basically the same, there's no reason for anybody to move their feet. So you lovingly name the gap. Here's where you are, here's what's actually possible for you, and here's the quiet cost of staying exactly where you are for three more years. No tension, no motion. That's not pressure, that's clarity. [00:04:28] Move 4: Bring Proof This is the one leaders skip, and it's the most powerful one you've got. The most credible thing you can ever show a recruit isn't a promise, it's a person. I had a leader recently whose biggest producer was closing two or three deals a month before she joined him, and she's doubled that since. That's not a pitch, that's proof of concept living and breathing on his team. Proof dissolves skepticism faster than any slide deck you'll ever build. [00:05:09] Move 5: Transfer the Energy Here's my actual definition of recruiting. It's a transference of energy and passion. Everything that excites you lives in the future, the milestone, the growth, the place you're all going. If you deliver your vision flat, it doesn't matter how good the words on the page are. Nothing transfers. Your genuine energy about the future is the fuel, and without it the best vision ever written just sits there in the room and dies. [00:05:42] Why It Works People don't move toward fog. The brain can't take action on something vague, so when your vision is abstract, the honest human response is a polite nod and zero behavior change. Make it specific and personal and you finally give them something to grab and pull themselves toward. Proof works because skepticism is the default setting for any good producer who's been pitched a hundred times by a hundred leaders who all sounded the same. And energy works because emotion is contagious. That's why two leaders can say the identical words and only one of them moves the room. The words were never the variable. Clarity, tension, proof, and energy were. [00:06:50] Your Small Win Tonight Rewrite your team vision for the year 2035 and start that sentence with the words, our dream is. If the new sentence doesn't make you a little uncomfortable to say out loud, it isn't big enough yet, so push it further. A vision big enough to scare you a little is the only kind that's big enough to pull other people. [00:07:20] Three Bigger Moves This Week Draft a team-level vision that names exactly what a producer who joins you gets out of the next three years, because people commit to what's in it for them. Take one abstract claim in your current pitch and replace it with a real number, a measurable outcome, or a tool you can name out loud. Then pick one person already on your team ...
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    10 分
  • The Bait and Switch That's Costing You Producers: 5 Moves to Fix It

    The Bait and Switch That's Costing You Producers: 5 Moves to Fix It
    2026/06/02
    Here's the summary rewritten in Richard's voice, speaking directly to the listener. You're growing, which means you're recruiting. But every time you go hard after new talent, this quiet fear shows up. Are you telling your best people they're replaceable? So you slow down. You recruit with one hand on the brake, and both your growth and your retention suffer for it. In this episode I want to flip that tension on its head, because recruiting and retention aren't competing priorities. They're the same skill pointed in two directions, and I'm going to hand you a five-move framework I call the Inward Playbook so you can win at both at once. Episode Breakdown [00:00:53] The Tension Every Recruiting Leader Feels Growth requires recruiting, but the second you go hard after new talent, that fear shows up that you're telling your current team they're not enough. So you recruit with one hand on the brake, and that's exactly why both your growth and your retention suffer. [00:01:25] The Twenty-Six-Year Marriage Principle I've been married to Leah for twenty-six years, and it's not because I was a good dater. It's because I never stopped courting her. The pursuit didn't end at the wedding. The pursuit became the marriage. And the same thing is true for the team you lead. [00:01:53] The Bait and Switch Most of us recruit like a great date and then lead like a flat partner. We pursue a producer hard, we cast vision, we make that person feel like the most important talent in the market, and then the moment they sign, we disappear into operational mode. About three to four months in, that producer realizes the person who recruited them isn't the person they work for. They won't always say it out loud, but they feel it, and they start answering the phone when your competitor calls. [00:02:43] The Framework: The Inward Playbook Whatever makes you compelling to a recruit on the outside, take that same energy and point it inward at the people you already have. Because if we're awesome externally and average internally, we can expect to lose our people. [00:03:15] Move 1: Cast the Vision Out Loud When your team constantly hears where you're going over the next one, three, and five years, recruiting stops feeling threatening and it starts feeling necessary. They get that adding people is how the vision actually gets built. But when your team never hears the vision, recruiting feels random, like you're chasing instead of building. [00:03:52] Move 2: Court the Team You Already Have Retention isn't about perks, it's about connection. Are you having consistent one-on-ones? Do your producers feel like you understand their goals? Do they know exactly how they fit into the next phase? Take the same pursuit you'd give a brand new recruit and turn it around and give it to the producer who's been with you for three years. When people feel seen, they don't feel replaced by growth. They feel like they're part of it. [00:04:20] Move 3: Make Recruiting a Team Sport When you get seven people involved with a candidate, that candidate is 71% likely to join the organization. So bring your team into the process. Tell them the kind of person you're looking for, ask for referrals, let your best people meet the recruit. And here's what's interesting, your best people tend to attract more people just like them. That's how culture scales. [00:05:01] Move 4: Recruit Up, Never Down When you recruit the right way, it raises the level of the team, it doesn't threaten it. Back in 2015 I sat down and looked at the prior year, and anybody I'd added that year grew their business by 32% on average. Growth isn't a threat to your current team. Growth is the rising tide. So the question is never am I recruiting too much, it's am I recruiting the right people. [00:05:40] Move 5: Name It and Put It on the Calendar First, name it out loud. Tell your team the truth, that you're going to keep growing and bring in strong people, and at the same time you're committed to helping every one of them grow inside of this. That kind of transparency removes the tension, because now nothing feels hidden. Second, protect it on the calendar. You can't spend all your time recruiting and expect retention to take care of itself, and you can't spend all your time managing and expect growth to show up on its own. You need rhythms, and when those rhythms are consistent, nothing gets neglected. [00:06:27] Why It Works People don't leave because you recruited. They leave because the version of you that recruited them disappeared. We're all wired to notice when attention we used to have goes away, and that drop gets felt way more sharply than the absence of attention we never had in the first place. So when you stop courting your team, it doesn't register as neutral, it registers as loss. And that's also why involving the team lands at 71%. Belonging isn't one relationship with the leader at the top, it's a web of relationships across the whole organization, and ...
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    11 分
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