When you’re used to building, creating, achieving, helping other people, and constantly thinking about what’s next, slowing down can feel almost… wrong.

In Episode 19 of Probably, Most Definitely Overthinking This, Kami Schatz and Melissa Hayes unpack our complicated relationship with rest, productivity, ambition, and the guilt that can creep in when we’re not “doing” something.

But what if we’ve been defining rest all wrong?

Rest doesn’t have to mean lying on the couch doing absolutely nothing. It might mean cooking. Creating. Thinking. Stepping away from your phone. Working on something that energizes you. Spending time with people you love. Or simply giving your brain permission to focus on something different.

We talk about:

• Why ambitious people can struggle to slow down
• Where the guilt around rest and productivity comes from
• Whether work-life balance actually exists
• Why different people need different kinds of rest
• The difference between something that drains you and something that energizes you
• Making intentional time to simply THINK
• Entrepreneurship, freedom, and the pressure we create for ourselves
• Why rest can actually be part of ambition
• How our definitions of work, play, productivity, and rest change throughout our lives

And Kami asks one of the biggest questions of the episode:

If your success disappears the second you rest, was it actually freedom that you built?

Maybe the goal isn't to finally “achieve” the perfect amount of rest.

Maybe it's learning to recognize what restores you and giving yourself permission to do more of it.

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Hosted by Kami Schatz & Melissa Hayes

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Kami Schatz
Instagram: @epscoaching

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If you’re ambitious, an entrepreneur, a chronic overthinker, or someone who has ever sat down to relax only to immediately start thinking about everything you could be getting done instead… this conversation is for you.

For our FIRST guest episode, we're talking about something most of us deal with—but don't always want to talk about:

MONEY. 💸

Why do women overthink it so much?

This week, Melissa and Kami are joined by Lupita Lechuga, RICP®, Director of Financial Planning, for a very real conversation about our relationship with money and why so much of it has absolutely nothing to do with the numbers.

We talk about the money messages we picked up as kids, why women tend to second-guess financial decisions, the pressure to have it all figured out, spending guilt, debt, FOMO, impulse purchases, credit cards, saving, and what happens when life is simply life-ing and dealing with your finances keeps getting pushed further down the list.

Lupita also shares some practical ways to make money feel less overwhelming - including getting organized, understanding where your money is actually going, identifying what you genuinely value, sleeping on purchases before hitting "buy," and choosing one financial priority when everything feels like too much.

And yes... we also somehow get into Starbucks, Amazon carts, Kohl's Cash, trinkets, taking your bra off at the end of the day, and why your shoes probably don't need a payment plan. 😂

This isn't about being perfect with money.

It's about getting more comfortable talking about it, understanding the habits and beliefs influencing our decisions, and building the confidence to make the next right move for your life.

Because maybe we don't need to have money completely figured out.

Maybe we just need to stop being so afraid to talk about it.

🎙️ CONNECT WITH LUPITA

Instagram: @positive_pita
LinkedIn: Lupita Lechuga | /in/lechugasuccess

🎙️ CONNECT WITH MELISSA

Instagram: @becoming.on.purpose

🎙️ CONNECT WITH KAMI

Instagram: @epscoaching

Probably Most Definitely Overthinking This
Real conversations about the things we're all probably overthinking anyway.

Personal growth gets uncomfortable when you start becoming the person your next chapter requires.

In this episode, we’re talking about personal growth - the uncomfortable, exciting, sometimes totally woo-woo version of it.

We get into what happens when the old version of you doesn’t quite fit anymore, but you’re still figuring out who you’re becoming. From self-validation and trusting your own decisions to vision boards, manifestation, affirmations, spirituality, intuition, and even the idea that your future self might be leaving you a few breadcrumbs along the way.

We also talk about something we both believe: you can’t just put what you want on a vision board and wait for it to happen. You have to grow into it.

Sometimes that means reading the book. Taking the chance. Trying something new. Going inward. Getting uncomfortable. Or simply trusting that you don’t have to know exactly how everything is going to unfold yet.

We definitely get a little weird in this one and we’re completely okay with that. 😂

Because there’s no one right way to grow. Stay curious, experience your life, trust yourself, and keep doing the real work.

📚 The Power of Now — Eckhart Tolle
Melissa’s book recommendation and one she says changed her life.

📚 The Success Principles — Jack Canfield
One of Kami’s recommendations for personal growth, possibility, and learning from the breadcrumbs other people leave behind.

📚 The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership — John C. Maxwell
A book Kami credits with helping her recognize the gap between where she was and the person and leader she wanted to become.

🎬 The Secret
Kami shares how The Secret first introduced her to manifestation, affirmations, and intentionally thinking about what she wanted to create.

🧘 Insight Timer
One of Kami’s favorite tools for meditation, clearing her mind, breathing, and coming back to herself.

🎧 Healing Frequencies / Frequency Sounds
Melissa likes listening to frequency sounds while sleeping as another way to slow down, reset, and go inward.

✨ Vision Boards
Something we both use — in VERY different ways — to explore what we want, play with possibility, and create a vision for what might come next.

Kami: @epscoaching
Melissa: @being.on.purpose

If this episode made you think about your own growth a little differently, share it with someone who might need it too. ❤️

Have you ever walked away from a conversation… and then replayed it in your head for hours?

What you said.
What you should have said.
How they might have taken it.
What they’re thinking about you now.

In this episode, we’re diving into the spiral of overthinking conversations after they happen and why so many high-functioning, self-aware people get stuck there.

We talk about:

• Why your brain won’t let it go
• The pressure to say the “right” thing
• How overthinking quietly impacts your confidence, relationships, and decisions
• And the truth most people don’t realize… they’ve already moved on

This isn’t about “just stop overthinking.”
It’s about understanding what’s actually happening and learning how to break the cycle.

If you’ve ever left a conversation feeling off, second-guessed yourself, or mentally rewritten it 10 different ways… this one’s for you.

Real conversations for high-functioning overthinkers navigating business, relationships, identity, and growth.

Follow along for more conversations like this and behind-the-scenes moments from the podcast.

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Kami @epscoaching

Melissa @brave.harbour

Episode 7: The Thought That Won’t Leave You Alone

Why do some thoughts refuse to let go?

In this episode of Probably Most Definitely Overthinking This, we talk about the mental spirals that start small and somehow turn into full-blown emotional documentaries in our heads.

From overthinking taxes, delegation, awkward conversations, social media, business decisions, relationships, and life transitions… we unpack what it actually feels like to live with a brain that won’t stop thinking.

We dive into:
• entrepreneur brain & decision fatigue
• imposter syndrome
• anxiety vs intuition
• mental blocks & overwhelm
• why smart people overthink
• fear of getting things wrong
• overthinking as protection
• learning to show up anyway

We also share some very real (and slightly chaotic) stories about job interviews, SAT tests, business ownership, emotional overwhelm, shower thoughts, and the random spirals our brains create out of absolutely nothing.

If your brain has ever convinced you that one text message, one decision, or one unfinished task meant your entire life was falling apart… this episode is for you.

Connect with us:
Kami → @epscoaching
Melissa → @brave.harbour

Thanks for spiraling with us 💭

What if the reason you’re not showing up… isn’t because you don’t know what to say but because you’re afraid of being seen?

In this episode, we get real about what it actually feels like to put yourself out there especially when it shifts from personal to business. Because posting for fun is one thing… but showing up when it matters hits completely different.

We talk about the pressure of social media, the overthinking spiral, and those moments where you want to be visible - but also kind of want to hide at the same time. (Yep… both can be true.)

From fear of judgment, to dealing with comments, to questioning every post - we’re unpacking it all in a way that’s honest, relatable, and a little bit of a reality check.

In this episode:

• Why being seen feels harder than people admit
• The shift from personal posting → business visibility
• Overthinking content, comments, and perception
• Real stories of fear, backlash, and growth
• Learning to show up anyway

Overthinking of the Week:
What did you almost NOT post because you were worried how it would be received?

The truth:
You don’t actually want to stay hidden… you just don’t want to be seen and misunderstood.

If you’ve been holding back, overthinking, or waiting until you feel “ready”… this one’s for you.

Connect with Us:

Kami: https://www.instagram.com/epscoaching/

Melissa: https://www.instagram.com/brave.harbour/

Who are you without the mask?

The mask of being perfect.
The mask of having it all together.
The mask of becoming the person everyone else expected you to be.

In this episode, we continue our conversation on authenticity and explore the moments when we realized we weren’t always living as ourselves - we were living as the versions we thought we had to become.

We talk about confidence, identity, showing up online, judgment, people pleasing, and learning to separate who you truly are from who the world told you to be.

Because the goal isn’t to become someone new.

Sometimes the real journey is finally coming back to yourself.

What if happiness isn’t something you achieve… but something you allow yourself to experience?

In this episode, Kami and Melissa unpack the pressure so many of us feel to “finally be happy” once we hit the next goal, make more money, lose the weight, build the business, heal the trauma, or become more confident.

But what happens when you get there… and still don’t feel the way you thought you would?

This conversation dives into overthinking happiness, nervous system safety, childhood experiences, expectations, emotional triggers, entrepreneurship, self-sabotage, and the exhausting cycle of always moving the finish line.

From deeply personal stories to honest reflections about success, relationships, achievement, and emotional safety — this episode is a reminder that maybe happiness was never supposed to look perfect or cinematic.

Sometimes happiness is slower than that.

Sometimes it’s coffee in silence.
A calm nervous system.
A home-cooked meal.
A moment where your brain finally stops scanning for the next problem.

And maybe… that’s enough.

Welcome back to Probably Most Definitely Overthinking This.