When you’re used to building, creating, achieving, helping other people, and constantly thinking about what’s next, slowing down can feel almost… wrong.

In Episode 19 of Probably, Most Definitely Overthinking This, Kami Schatz and Melissa Hayes unpack our complicated relationship with rest, productivity, ambition, and the guilt that can creep in when we’re not “doing” something.

But what if we’ve been defining rest all wrong?

Rest doesn’t have to mean lying on the couch doing absolutely nothing. It might mean cooking. Creating. Thinking. Stepping away from your phone. Working on something that energizes you. Spending time with people you love. Or simply giving your brain permission to focus on something different.

We talk about:

• Why ambitious people can struggle to slow down
• Where the guilt around rest and productivity comes from
• Whether work-life balance actually exists
• Why different people need different kinds of rest
• The difference between something that drains you and something that energizes you
• Making intentional time to simply THINK
• Entrepreneurship, freedom, and the pressure we create for ourselves
• Why rest can actually be part of ambition
• How our definitions of work, play, productivity, and rest change throughout our lives

And Kami asks one of the biggest questions of the episode:

If your success disappears the second you rest, was it actually freedom that you built?

Maybe the goal isn't to finally “achieve” the perfect amount of rest.

Maybe it's learning to recognize what restores you and giving yourself permission to do more of it.

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Hosted by Kami Schatz & Melissa Hayes

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Kami Schatz
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If you’re ambitious, an entrepreneur, a chronic overthinker, or someone who has ever sat down to relax only to immediately start thinking about everything you could be getting done instead… this conversation is for you.

For our FIRST guest episode, we're talking about something most of us deal with—but don't always want to talk about:

MONEY. 💸

Why do women overthink it so much?

This week, Melissa and Kami are joined by Lupita Lechuga, RICP®, Director of Financial Planning, for a very real conversation about our relationship with money and why so much of it has absolutely nothing to do with the numbers.

We talk about the money messages we picked up as kids, why women tend to second-guess financial decisions, the pressure to have it all figured out, spending guilt, debt, FOMO, impulse purchases, credit cards, saving, and what happens when life is simply life-ing and dealing with your finances keeps getting pushed further down the list.

Lupita also shares some practical ways to make money feel less overwhelming - including getting organized, understanding where your money is actually going, identifying what you genuinely value, sleeping on purchases before hitting "buy," and choosing one financial priority when everything feels like too much.

And yes... we also somehow get into Starbucks, Amazon carts, Kohl's Cash, trinkets, taking your bra off at the end of the day, and why your shoes probably don't need a payment plan. 😂

This isn't about being perfect with money.

It's about getting more comfortable talking about it, understanding the habits and beliefs influencing our decisions, and building the confidence to make the next right move for your life.

Because maybe we don't need to have money completely figured out.

Maybe we just need to stop being so afraid to talk about it.

🎙️ CONNECT WITH LUPITA

Instagram: @positive_pita
LinkedIn: Lupita Lechuga | /in/lechugasuccess

🎙️ CONNECT WITH MELISSA

Instagram: @becoming.on.purpose

🎙️ CONNECT WITH KAMI

Instagram: @epscoaching

Probably Most Definitely Overthinking This
Real conversations about the things we're all probably overthinking anyway.

Personal growth gets uncomfortable when you start becoming the person your next chapter requires.

In this episode, we’re talking about personal growth - the uncomfortable, exciting, sometimes totally woo-woo version of it.

We get into what happens when the old version of you doesn’t quite fit anymore, but you’re still figuring out who you’re becoming. From self-validation and trusting your own decisions to vision boards, manifestation, affirmations, spirituality, intuition, and even the idea that your future self might be leaving you a few breadcrumbs along the way.

We also talk about something we both believe: you can’t just put what you want on a vision board and wait for it to happen. You have to grow into it.

Sometimes that means reading the book. Taking the chance. Trying something new. Going inward. Getting uncomfortable. Or simply trusting that you don’t have to know exactly how everything is going to unfold yet.

We definitely get a little weird in this one and we’re completely okay with that. 😂

Because there’s no one right way to grow. Stay curious, experience your life, trust yourself, and keep doing the real work.

📚 The Power of Now — Eckhart Tolle
Melissa’s book recommendation and one she says changed her life.

📚 The Success Principles — Jack Canfield
One of Kami’s recommendations for personal growth, possibility, and learning from the breadcrumbs other people leave behind.

📚 The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership — John C. Maxwell
A book Kami credits with helping her recognize the gap between where she was and the person and leader she wanted to become.

🎬 The Secret
Kami shares how The Secret first introduced her to manifestation, affirmations, and intentionally thinking about what she wanted to create.

🧘 Insight Timer
One of Kami’s favorite tools for meditation, clearing her mind, breathing, and coming back to herself.

🎧 Healing Frequencies / Frequency Sounds
Melissa likes listening to frequency sounds while sleeping as another way to slow down, reset, and go inward.

✨ Vision Boards
Something we both use — in VERY different ways — to explore what we want, play with possibility, and create a vision for what might come next.

Kami: @epscoaching
Melissa: @being.on.purpose

If this episode made you think about your own growth a little differently, share it with someone who might need it too. ❤️