When you’re used to building, creating, achieving, helping other people, and constantly thinking about what’s next, slowing down can feel almost… wrong.

In Episode 19 of Probably, Most Definitely Overthinking This, Kami Schatz and Melissa Hayes unpack our complicated relationship with rest, productivity, ambition, and the guilt that can creep in when we’re not “doing” something.

But what if we’ve been defining rest all wrong?

Rest doesn’t have to mean lying on the couch doing absolutely nothing. It might mean cooking. Creating. Thinking. Stepping away from your phone. Working on something that energizes you. Spending time with people you love. Or simply giving your brain permission to focus on something different.

We talk about:

• Why ambitious people can struggle to slow down
• Where the guilt around rest and productivity comes from
• Whether work-life balance actually exists
• Why different people need different kinds of rest
• The difference between something that drains you and something that energizes you
• Making intentional time to simply THINK
• Entrepreneurship, freedom, and the pressure we create for ourselves
• Why rest can actually be part of ambition
• How our definitions of work, play, productivity, and rest change throughout our lives

And Kami asks one of the biggest questions of the episode:

If your success disappears the second you rest, was it actually freedom that you built?

Maybe the goal isn't to finally “achieve” the perfect amount of rest.

Maybe it's learning to recognize what restores you and giving yourself permission to do more of it.

🎙️ Probably, Most Definitely Overthinking This
Hosted by Kami Schatz & Melissa Hayes

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Kami Schatz
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Melissa Hayes
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If you’re ambitious, an entrepreneur, a chronic overthinker, or someone who has ever sat down to relax only to immediately start thinking about everything you could be getting done instead… this conversation is for you.