This episode continues the conversation around grief, unanswered prayer, and what it means to wrestle with the belief that God is unchanging when life feels anything but stable.

Audrey is joined by Kelly Johnson, a licensed therapist inCharlotte and an Out of the Ashes community member, who brings both professional insight and personal experience with infertility and lament. We discuss how grief can reshape our understanding of God, why honest lament matters, and how community care can make difficult seasons more bearable.

Episode Sponsor: Precious Life Pod

OOTA Website: Outoftheashes5k.com

OOTA Instagram: @Outoftheashesfoundation

Kelly's Contact: Kelly@outoftheashes5k.com

Book Referenced: Dark Clouds, Deep Mercy by Mark Vroegop

When life doesn’t turn out the way we imagined, our understanding of God can feel shaken.

Because this is a question that deserves space to explore deeply, we’re taking it in two parts. In Part 1, Kristina shares what it looks like to trust in God’s unchanging character through grief, infertility, and seasons of waiting. She reflects on how worship, prayer, gratitude, and community helped anchor her faith when life felt uncertain and the future felt unclear.

Whether you’re walking through grief, wrestling with doubt, or simply seeking strength for a season of waiting, we hope this conversation reminds you that while our circumstances may change, God does not. May this conversation offer you comfort, hope, and healing.

A special thank you to Precious Life Pods for sponsoring this episode.

Scripture Mentioned

Malachi 3:6

Hebrews 13:8

Exodus 34:6

Resources Mentioned

Out of the Ashes Foundation | Website | Insta: @Outoftheashesfoundation

Elevation Matthews Church | Prayer Nights, Worship

In this heartfelt episode, Bethany and Andrew share their journey of infertility and the complexities of trusting God in the midst of deep longing. Together, they reflect on how grief, hope, scripture, and community have shaped their faith, even in seasons when God felt distant or difficult to understand. Through honest storytelling, creative expression, and practical spiritual practices, they offer encouragement to anyone navigating loss, waiting, or the tension between what is and what they hoped would be.

Resources: Connect with Bethany & Andrew + Desert Lily information

Out of the Ashes Website

Cry of the Soul--book on emotions and faith

Jesus album by John Gera

Scripture Referenced:

Matthew 11:28–30 — Jesus invites the weary to come to Him, saying, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Matthew 6:25–34 - "Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself."

Matthew 5:1–12 — The Beatitudes from the Sermon on the Mount.

Psalms — a source of comfort, lament, worship, and honest prayer.

Colossians 1:17 — "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Genesis — God’s faithfulness through uncertainty , waiting, and unexpected circumstances.

Exodus —God leading His people through hardship , transition, and dependence on Him.

Judges — A reminder of God's continued faithfulness despite human weakness and wandering.

David's Story (1 & 2 Samuel) and the Psalms of David —Bring honest emotions, questions, grief, fear, and praise before God rather than hiding them.

If God is a giver of good gifts…what do we do when it feels like He’s withholding the one we want most?

In this episode, Paige Workman, Trip Smith, and Audrey speak candidly about infertility, pregnancy loss, and infant loss, and the kind of grief that reshapes everything. Together, they explore the tension of holding onto faith when life doesn’t make sense, and the quiet, non-linear journey of healing.

Through honest conversation, Scripture, and the support of community, this episode makes space for both deep sorrow and a hope that doesn’t rush or force its way forward.

If you’re walking this road—or loving someone who is—you’re not alone.

Resources & Links:

• Out of the Ashes Foundation: Website | Instagram
• Contact Paige for more information about The Community Group events
• Romans 8:26-27 "Spirit Groans"
• Romans 8:28 "All Things for Good"
• Romans 5:3-5 "Hope Through Suffering"
• 2 Corinthians 1:3-4 "Comfort in Affliction"
• Luke 11:13 "Prayer for Belief"
• Psalm 119:18 "Eyes to See"

In this solo episode, Audrey reflects on themes from a recent Community Group gathering, exploring how faith, sorrow, and honest emotion can coexist. For those navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, or infant loss, this episode offers gentle encouragement for the moments when worship feels hard and God feels distant.

What do we do with our faith when it feels like God didn’t protect us or our child?

In this episode of Out of the Ashes, Audrey and Erin - therapist and OOTA community member - reflect on the tension many parents face after infertility, pregnancy loss, or infant loss. Through scripture, personal experience, and gentle conversation, they explore grief, hope, and the God who wept at a tomb.

In the debut episode of Out of the Ashes, Brittany and Theo share the deeply personal story behind the creation of their foundation and the journey that brought them here. They reflect on how grief has evolved over the years, the moments that shaped their healing, and the purpose that emerged from unimaginable loss. Listeners will be introduced to the mission and core pillars of OOTA, and get a preview of what this new show will offer — honest conversations, hope in the hard places, and stories that remind us we’re not alone.

In this quick trailer, your host introduces Out of the Ashes Podcast— a space for honest conversations about grief, healing, and hope. Learn what OOTA stands for, why this podcast was created, and what listeners can expect in the episodes ahead.