This episode continues the conversation around grief, unanswered prayer, and what it means to wrestle with the belief that God is unchanging when life feels anything but stable.

Audrey is joined by Kelly Johnson, a licensed therapist inCharlotte and an Out of the Ashes community member, who brings both professional insight and personal experience with infertility and lament. We discuss how grief can reshape our understanding of God, why honest lament matters, and how community care can make difficult seasons more bearable.

Episode Sponsor: Precious Life Pod

OOTA Website: Outoftheashes5k.com

OOTA Instagram: @Outoftheashesfoundation

Kelly's Contact: Kelly@outoftheashes5k.com

Book Referenced: Dark Clouds, Deep Mercy by Mark Vroegop

When life doesn’t turn out the way we imagined, our understanding of God can feel shaken.

Because this is a question that deserves space to explore deeply, we’re taking it in two parts. In Part 1, Kristina shares what it looks like to trust in God’s unchanging character through grief, infertility, and seasons of waiting. She reflects on how worship, prayer, gratitude, and community helped anchor her faith when life felt uncertain and the future felt unclear.

Whether you’re walking through grief, wrestling with doubt, or simply seeking strength for a season of waiting, we hope this conversation reminds you that while our circumstances may change, God does not. May this conversation offer you comfort, hope, and healing.

A special thank you to Precious Life Pods for sponsoring this episode.

Scripture Mentioned

Malachi 3:6

Hebrews 13:8

Exodus 34:6

Resources Mentioned

Out of the Ashes Foundation | Website | Insta: @Outoftheashesfoundation

Elevation Matthews Church | Prayer Nights, Worship

In this heartfelt episode, Bethany and Andrew share their journey of infertility and the complexities of trusting God in the midst of deep longing. Together, they reflect on how grief, hope, scripture, and community have shaped their faith, even in seasons when God felt distant or difficult to understand. Through honest storytelling, creative expression, and practical spiritual practices, they offer encouragement to anyone navigating loss, waiting, or the tension between what is and what they hoped would be.

Resources: Connect with Bethany & Andrew + Desert Lily information

Out of the Ashes Website

Cry of the Soul--book on emotions and faith

Jesus album by John Gera

Scripture Referenced:

Matthew 11:28–30 — Jesus invites the weary to come to Him, saying, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Matthew 6:25–34 - "Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself."

Matthew 5:1–12 — The Beatitudes from the Sermon on the Mount.

Psalms — a source of comfort, lament, worship, and honest prayer.

Colossians 1:17 — "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Genesis — God’s faithfulness through uncertainty , waiting, and unexpected circumstances.

Exodus —God leading His people through hardship , transition, and dependence on Him.

Judges — A reminder of God's continued faithfulness despite human weakness and wandering.

David's Story (1 & 2 Samuel) and the Psalms of David —Bring honest emotions, questions, grief, fear, and praise before God rather than hiding them.