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Tom and Jonathan are still negotiating the terms of their podcasting relationship - open, closed, or somewhere in between. Along the way, they unpack the recent shake-up at the CDC and take a deep dive into how homophobia shapes male relationships from childhood onward.

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After recounting their wildly different Labor Day adventures, Jonathan and Tom get deep into a no-holds-barred confession of their most embarrassing childhood traumas. One was the fat kid. The other was an angry, emotional mess. Can you guess who’s who? Listen now to find out.

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Back from their vacations, Jonathan & Tom dive straight into the cultural toilet to bid farewell to And Just Like That... in all its messy glory. While villains like Kim Davis crawl back to threaten gay marriage, the boys celebrate the passing of evangelical leader James Dobson. The real heart of the episode comes from Tom's experience at Honcho Campout, sparking a vital conversation about the power of queer joy and why finding your community IRL is more important than ever.

SPECIAL EPISODE LINKS:

• Jonathan moonlights on the RADICAL JOY PODCAST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hrFU8pUL-w
• Podcast friends @ikp.me & @earthtonemuziq 's music video ON THE GAYDAR FREESTYLE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5b6wQGywf8
• Honcho Campout: https://www.honchocampout.com/
• Honcho Campout quote: @molotov_cocteau

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Some "No Homies" want Jonathan and Tom to be more than friends. Jonathan makes Tom a promise involving future intimacy... but only under a specific set of circumstances. Later, the boys deep dive into the pros and cons of monogamy, commitment, and why we choose to be with just one person (or not).

SINS OF THE FUTURE RICH book: https://www.abbeys.com.au/book/sins-of-the-filthy-rich-tales-of-wicked-wealth-9781923135017.do

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Jonathan and Tom celebrate their feature in The Advocate. They later recount a night out at a popular queer party, sparking a candid conversation about the surprising power of being an outsider and why not fitting in can be the healthiest choice of all.

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The boys are in mourning. Jonathan and Tom process the surprise cancellation of And Just Like That... Their grief spiral leads to a deeper conversation about their own winding career paths and the danger of linking your identity to your self-worth.

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Tom meets a No Homie in the wild, while Jonathan confronts the challenges of dealing with anger as a parent. The boys later discuss the mental benefits of straight guys letting their gay bros blow them.

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Should every parent be required to watch Netflix's Adolescence? Jonathan and Tom debate the Emmy-nominated series before diving into a bigger question: What drives some of us to push boundaries, while others cling to the familiar? Plus, find out the story behind Jonathan's unexpected media splash.