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Tom and Jonathan are still negotiating the terms of their podcasting relationship - open, closed, or somewhere in between. Along the way, they unpack the recent shake-up at the CDC and take a deep dive into how homophobia shapes male relationships from childhood onward.

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After recounting their wildly different Labor Day adventures, Jonathan and Tom get deep into a no-holds-barred confession of their most embarrassing childhood traumas. One was the fat kid. The other was an angry, emotional mess. Can you guess who’s who? Listen now to find out.

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Back from their vacations, Jonathan & Tom dive straight into the cultural toilet to bid farewell to And Just Like That... in all its messy glory. While villains like Kim Davis crawl back to threaten gay marriage, the boys celebrate the passing of evangelical leader James Dobson. The real heart of the episode comes from Tom's experience at Honcho Campout, sparking a vital conversation about the power of queer joy and why finding your community IRL is more important than ever.

SPECIAL EPISODE LINKS:

• Jonathan moonlights on the RADICAL JOY PODCAST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hrFU8pUL-w
• Podcast friends @ikp.me & @earthtonemuziq 's music video ON THE GAYDAR FREESTYLE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5b6wQGywf8
• Honcho Campout: https://www.honchocampout.com/
• Honcho Campout quote: @molotov_cocteau