Caleb and Chrissy Cole get honest about how an anniversary disappointment and a well-intended golf date exposed a deeper disconnect in their marriage. They unpack the difference between doing life together and actually feeling known, why defensiveness made their conflict worse, and how learning to recognize and validate emotions has helped them reconnect. For couples caught in the cycle of schedules, responsibilities, and surface-level conversations, this is a challenge to make room for the kind of connection that goes beyond simply spending time together.

• (00:00) - Marriage and Emotional Connection
• (01:40) - Why Busy Couples Drift Apart
• (02:59) - The Golf Date That Exposed a Deeper Hurt
• (05:28) - Being Together Isn't the Same as Connecting
• (07:21) - What Quality Time Actually Means
• (08:45) - When Marriage Becomes Family Logistics
• (10:44) - Making Time for Emotional Conversations
• (11:45) - Communicating Hurt and Unmet Needs
• (13:46) - Defensiveness and the Conflict Spiral
• (17:27) - Taking Thoughts Captive vs. Suppressing Feelings
• (20:26) - How Validation Helped Them Reconnect
• (22:03) - Emotional Fluency and Connection Codes
• (24:27) - Learning to Recognize Loneliness
• (26:31) - Understanding the Eight Core Emotions
• (29:25) - Making Emotional Connection a Priority
• (31:22) - Emotional Awareness and Godly Leadership

In this Men of Faith and Project Sisterhood crossover, Caleb and Chrissy Cole sit down with Scott and Karen Hagan to talk about more than four decades of ministry, leadership, marriage, family, burnout, resentment, community, and learning to live with an eternal perspective.

Scott and Karen unpack why serving should come from spiritual overflow instead of anxiety, how resentment can lead to isolation, and why family and healthy relationships cannot become casualties of ministry. Karen also shares what her cancer journey taught her about suffering, healing, prayer, and trusting that God is with us even when He does not answer the way we expected.

They also discuss generational leadership, calling, encouragement, prophetic words, and becoming comfortable with both who God made you to be and who He did not.

• (00:00) - Living With an Eternal Perspective
• (01:15) - Honoring Scott and Karen Hagan
• (02:21) - What 44 Years of Ministry Teaches You
• (04:21) - Gratitude or Resentment
• (06:19) - Why Leaders Need Eternal Perspective
• (08:31) - When You Feel Lonely or Overlooked
• (11:26) - Resentment Turns Into Isolation
• (13:37) - Serving Without Burning Out
• (16:09) - Burnout, Anxiety, and Family Tension
• (18:47) - Faith When Cancer Changes the Plan
• (23:31) - Marriage, Community, and the Cancer Journey
• (30:13) - Becoming Comfortable With Who You’re Not
• (32:33) - Bridging the Generational Gap
• (36:38) - Putting Family Before Ministry
• (38:36) - Finding Purpose Without a Prophetic Word

Dr. Scott Hagan joins Project Church’s Team Con for a conversation about leadership, faithfulness, culture, and going the distance. From the difference between the compass and the clock to optimism, visionary leadership, self-control, and spiritual maturity, Scott challenges leaders to establish their direction before obsessing over efficiency.

• (00:00) - Caleb Cole Introduces Dr. Scott Hagan
• (01:25) - Men of Faith Podcast Intro
• (01:44) - Going the Distance in Faith and Leadership
• (06:36) - Becoming a Faithful Elder
• (08:11) - Organization Is a Discipline
• (09:02) - Can the Church Flourish in Political Headwinds?
• (12:10) - Sennacherib, Hezekiah, and False Confidence
• (15:02) - When Everyone Claims the Lord Is With Them
• (17:13) - Which Came First, the Compass or the Clock?
• (18:44) - Direction Must Come Before Efficiency
• (21:42) - Building the Invisible Organization
• (28:48) - Why Leaders Must Stay Optimistic
• (31:54) - The Strange Tax of Visionary Leadership
• (34:24) - Maturity, Growth, and the Seven Nerd Words
• (35:44) - Guarding Against Self-Pity
• (37:16) - More Than Conquerors and Closing Prayer