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  • #90 Paradox as Praxis: Johannes (Yogi) Jaeger & Marcus Neustetter on Art, Science and The ZoNE

    #90 Paradox as Praxis: Johannes (Yogi) Jaeger & Marcus Neustetter on Art, Science and The ZoNE
    2026/07/07
    Send a love messageAndrea, Yogi and Marcus are forming Paradoxis. This is one of the conversations towards that, a Third Space episode of Love & Philosoph. Philosopher Andrea Hiott sits down with artist and facilitator Marcus Neustetter and biologist-philosopher Johannes "Yogi" Jaeger for a wide-ranging conversation about working in the space between art and science. The two have collaborated for about six years as part of The ZoNE, a transdisciplinary collective they run in Vienna alongside artist Bronwyn Lace and curator Başak Şenova.Marcus and Yogi introduce each other, then talk through how their collaboration actually works: not illustration-for-hire, but a genuine co-production where a text and a drawing "wrap themselves around each other" into something neither could have made alone. From there the conversation moves through constraints and "staying alive," productive tension, performance and vulnerability, the trickster, space and context, institutions and gatekeeping, conflict and tolerance, and finally care and love.The episode also introduces the paradox project (referred to in the audio as "Paradoxis"), a shared piece of writing on treating paradox as a practice and performance, and the idea of building offline "circles of trust," a concept Andrea draws from her earlier conversation with Parker Palmer.Read PARADOXIS here.Watch the ZoNE talks here.Link to Zone talks Andrea mentions on the Zone channel with one of her favorite philosophers. And the one with Julian Gough on Egg and Rock.Topics coveredHow Marcus and Yogi met and why they were both looking for a "third space" between art and scienceThe Perspective Studio methodology and collective co-creationConstraints, co-construction and "staying alive" as an organizing principle drawn from evolutionary biologyProductive tension vs. problem-solving; adaptation over optimizationFinite games vs. infinite play, and "serious play"Performance, persona, authenticity and vulnerabilityThe trickster figure and the danger of putting narcissists "in charge"Space, context and embodiment (including a 10-second listening exercise)Institutions, gatekeeping, decolonizing spaces, and the "plastic mushroom in the Pompidou"Conflict, tolerance, "overlapping consensus" and "coherence from difference"Care, love, and the shadow — seeing "the person behind the persona"People, projects and references mentionedLove & Philosophy — Andrea Hiott's podcast and SubstackThe ZoNE — the art/science collective (Lace, Neustetter, Jaeger, Şenova); see also the Makers page and Actions/notation logThe emerging book Beyond the Age of Machines / Expanding Possibilities — the manifesto and chapters referenced throughout, published chapter by chapterPerspective Studio — the workshop/facilitation methodologyAndrea Hiott's Holding Paradox and her Embracing Paradox guideAndrea talking with Parker Palmer — "circles of trust"James Carse — Finite and Infinite GamesHanzi Freinacht — "serious/existential play"Tyson Yunkaporta — Sand Talk (the trickster)Ludwig Wittgenstein — "whereof we cannot speak…"Plato — the allegory of the caveMichael Schmidt-Salomon — the paradox of toleranceJohn Rawls — "overlapping consensus"Carl Sagan — the gas-giant "blobs" thought experimentPatricia Martin — Will the Future Like You?Declan Donnellan and Sophie Fiennes — on performance and theatre (episodes Andrea mentions are forthcoming)Anathi Konjwa and Micca Manganye — performers in Marcus's Johannesburg short-film anecdoteSteven Hobbs — Marcus's longtime South African collaboratorFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.The Thrive Careers Podcast My career wasn’t a straight line—it was a series of pivots, survival jobs, and...Listen on: Apple Podcasts Leadership Lessons From The Great BooksUnderstanding great literature is better than trying to read and understand (yet)...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.
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    2 時間 18 分
  • #89 Wrestling is Part of It: Care Ethics, Motherhood, Embodiment & the Meaning in Dependency with Journalist Elissa Strauss

    #89 Wrestling is Part of It: Care Ethics, Motherhood, Embodiment & the Meaning in Dependency with Journalist Elissa Strauss
    2026/06/28
    Send a love messageWhy Caring Isn't Self-Sacrifice with Elissa StraussThe episode of Love and Philosophy introduces a conversation with journalist and essayist Elissa Strauss, author of When You Care: The Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others, framed by the host’s view of care as an embodied, orienting force and “minds as actions.” Strauss distinguishes “caring,” social-status “not caring,” collective/kumbaya care, and “dependency care,” which she calls a “Hotel California” relationship you can’t easily exit; she argues dependency care is fraught, messy, and misunderstood when treated as pure altruism. She describes moving from fast-paced feminist journalism and a policy lens on U.S. caregiving failures (including lack of federal paid leave) to a deeper account of motherhood’s embodied realities, attention, and moments of union and estrangement with children. The discussion links care ethics (Gilligan, Noddings, Kittay) with Iris Murdoch and Simone Weil on unselfing and attention, critiques binary labels that assume we are all always one thing or the other related to ideas like “trad wife,” explores caring-for versus caring-about and the “glass door” separating home from public value, and connects care to economics, interdependence, faith as “wrestling,” and intergenerational “sandwich” caregiving.Elissa's Book When You CareElissa's Substack: https://elissa.substack.com/We All Carethe Navigational Approach to MindHeat by H.D.Care of Things episode mentioned here00:00 Trad Wife Label00:48 Embodied Parenting01:55 Estrangement Moments02:57 Care Philosophy Intro05:25 Care Ethics Primer09:35 Care Economics Value11:55 Poem Heat Reading17:18 Defining Care Buckets19:19 Dependency Care Explained22:20 Writing Career Origins25:53 Motherhood Identity Shift30:32 Beyond Binary Labels33:15 Embodied Early Motherhood33:52 Embodied Early Motherhood36:18 Attention and Listening39:00 Touch Versus Screens42:27 Dependency Care Awakening46:25 Unselfing as Parenting North Star49:54 Estrangement and Return52:39 Faith as Wrestling55:45 Finding Care Ethics01:00:21 Gilligan Noddings Validation01:05:46 Caring For Versus About01:08:16 Shame and the Glass Door01:09:44 Glass Door Feminism01:10:48 Care Work Counts01:13:00 Tradwife Backlash01:15:12 Money Meets Meaning01:16:19 Care Beyond Maintenance01:20:47 Home Everywhere Politics01:25:05 Figure Eight Care01:27:42 Parenting as Process01:31:51 Love Clarity and Illusion01:35:54 Sandwich Caregiving Crunch01:41:08 Wired to Care Together01:43:55 Closing and Where to FindCare EthicsFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.The Thrive Careers Podcast My career wasn’t a straight line—it was a series of pivots, survival jobs, and...Listen on: Apple Podcasts Leadership Lessons From The Great BooksUnderstanding great literature is better than trying to read and understand (yet)...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.
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    1 時間 49 分
  • BONUS: Moving From Worry to Wonder with Isabela Granic of Liminal Learning (Guest Podcast: Life Itself with Jacob Kishere)

    BONUS: Moving From Worry to Wonder with Isabela Granic of Liminal Learning (Guest Podcast: Life Itself with Jacob Kishere)
    2026/06/17
    Send a love messageIsabella Granic on Liminal Learning, Neither Nor, and Education for FlourishingAndrea Hiott introduces a guest podcast from Life Itself, Jacob Kishere interviews developmental psychologist Isabella Granic about “education for flourishing” ahead of the Human Transformation in a Time of Metacrisis conference at Harvard. Granic describes shifting from studying anxiety and depression as psychopathology to seeing them as adaptive responses, and focuses on prevention by designing social contexts that support resilience and thriving. She frames learning as liberation from inherited narratives and introduces the “neither nor” framework, developed with philosopher Bryan Kam, which teaches oscillation between conceptual and experiential ways of knowing. Granic explains Liminal Learning, a year-long program for 18–25-year-olds beginning with a wilderness “quest,” followed by a digital hub, practices like appreciative inquiry, and collaborative “heists” to build small real-world projects, moving participants from worry to wonder to world-building. Find info here and below to participate.00:00 Embodied Learning Basics02:16 Podcast Intro and Who Its For06:18 Life Itself Guest Setup07:03 Flourishing and Mental Health12:40 Education as Liberation16:42 Neither Nor Framework21:50 Skills for Metacrisis Times28:39 Wilderness Quest and Stirrings32:34 Heists and World Building37:47 Games and Digital Hub46:52 Tech Shadows and Evidence57:44 Conference Questions and WrapLiminal Learning is in ther final week of welcoming participants for the upcoming UK Quest. Are you or do you know a young adult (18–25) — who’s feeling a bit lost, uncertain, in search of community, a way to explore purpose, or at a crossroads in these times? If so, our yearlong program could provide the support to transform their experience from worry into wonder.🎡 Quests and yearlong programs starting soon🌳 Kicks off in the Forest 🧑‍💻 Then moves to the online HubThe weeklong wilderness Quest is the starting point of Liminal Learning — a yearlong journey supporting young people to find direction, meaning, and confidence in work, study, and life. We focus on 3 core components the Quest, the Hub (our online community and continuation) and the Heist (our hybrid project based real-world experiment)✨ We have a small number of scholarship places still available, supported by our non-profit mission.👉 Quest details & applications here: https://liminal-learning.com/upcoming-questsWhat’s Liminal Learning?It begins with a weeklong retreat in nature, then continues with a year of learning, mentoring, and community — both online and in person. In a supportive cohort with peers and guides, participants explore purpose, values, and how they want to meet the world.👉 Full program overview: https://liminal-learning.com/programLife itself (https://lifeitself.org/) Jacob Kishere www.jacobkishere.com or www.theresonantman.com Harvard series videos starting with IGand theNeither Nor paperFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.The Thrive Careers Podcast My career wasn’t a straight line—it was a series of pivots, survival jobs, and...Listen on: Apple Podcasts Leadership Lessons From The Great BooksUnderstanding great literature is better than trying to read and understand (yet)...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.
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    1 時間 5 分
  • #88 How Life Works Beyond Genes: the New Biology of Meaning with scientist and author Philip Ball

    #88 How Life Works Beyond Genes: the New Biology of Meaning with scientist and author Philip Ball
    2026/06/02
    Send a love messageBeyond Genes, Toward Meaning & Care, But RigorouslyAndrea Hiott hosts British science writer Philip Ball (former Nature editor; trained chemist and physicist) to discuss his book How Life Works and why the popular idea “it’s all in the genes” is untenable. Ball argues biology is shifting beyond mechanistic, bottom-up “blueprint” metaphors toward a view of organisms as open, adaptive informational systems with complex genotype–phenotype relations, constant interaction across levels (genes to ecosystems), and robust behavior emerging from “committee-like” molecular collectives. They discuss why biology has avoided purpose, teleology, and meaning, yet living systems make contextual value judgments and goal-directed decisions, with continuity from cells to human minds and emotions, emphasizing embodiment and symbiosis. Ball links these themes to his prostate cancer diagnosis while finishing the book, reflecting on mortality, persistence of patterns and information through art and writing, and the open-endedness of life and evolution, ending with love as a real evolved capacity.00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro00:35 Why Biology Is Shifting02:09 Cancer, Meaning, and Patterns04:37 Challenging Gene Determinism11:03 Beyond the Machine Metaphor17:52 Purpose and Teleology in Life23:58 Messiness and Higher-Level Causation31:54 Meaning Making in Cells38:10 Embodiment and the Mind-Body Link41:20 Embodied Minds42:23 Nested Bodies and Meaning43:52 Molecular Caring and Committees45:02 Physics of Collectivity47:19 Universality From Traffic to Cells51:11 Leaky Layers in Living Systems53:20 Beyond E. coli to Elephants55:49 Caring as a New Metaphor57:44 Symbiosis Parasites and Affordances01:03:23 Brains Agency and Emotions01:08:10 Mortality and Whirlpools of Meaning01:15:42 Uniqueness Open-Ended Evolution01:18:25 Love as Evolutionary RealityTRANSCRIPTAndrea Hiott: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Love and Philosophy. This is Andrea Hiott, and I’m glad you’re here. Today is a really special conversation, which I had quite some months ago, back in February, with a writer who is one of my favorites, Philip Ball. He is a British science writer. He used to be the editor at Nature for over 20 years. He’s trained as both a chemist and a physicist, and he’s written a lot of really good books. Critical Mass was a prize-winning book, and there’s also H2O, The Music Instinct, and the one we’re talking about here, How Life Works.Let me tell you a little bit about this book. It comes at a moment when I think biology is really shifting. It’s a shift that’s been going on for a while, but it’s at an important moment now where this mechanistic gene-first story we’ve been telling — the one that says you are your genes, you are your DNA, the selfish gene, that whole idea — is really changing a lot. The idea of the body as a machine assembled from the bottom up, that story is coming apart.But it’s interesting because we don’t want to just flip to the opposite, to reject all that came before. That’s what this book is doing that’s so interesting, and also this conversation. I think you’ll hear it. We’re trying to hold a certain tension because even though that story is coming apart, it’s not that everything is wrong about it. The hope is not to flip into the opposite, but rather to hold the tension and to really open up a new space about how we actually think about what life is and what we are.We have more ways to communicate and more ways to study this that can help us get more rigorous even as we also open up. So that’s what we’re trying to do in this conversation. It gets a little bit messy — that’s a word I’m always using, but in a good way — because we’re trying to talk about a lot of very hard things here, and we’re also trying to talk about them in a way that isn’t the usual way.You’ll hear that Philip is very articulate about this. He’s even better in the book, so I really highly recommend it. He’s also written some very beautiful essays, and one of them, which is in Nautilus, is about how at the end of writing this book he got diagnosed with cancer. We get to that by the end of this conversation because he’s come through well. He had surgery. All is good. It’s all gone. But there was a time when it was very tense for him, and he was writing this book about life, so can you imagine? He was really having these questions pressed on him directly as he had been thinking about life and trying to understand what it was.There’s something very moving about that. What he came to through this was that we are made of this material that’s changing all the time, but what persists are these patterns that come through us, or are in the world with us, or that we create and give to the world that then go on without us. It’s not that they’re floating around in the air. It’s that I can read this book again that he wrote, and there’s an imprint to the ...
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    1 時間 27 分
  • #87 the Money Koan: towards a new philosophy of curren(t)cy and care with investor Jenna Nicholas

    #87 the Money Koan: towards a new philosophy of curren(t)cy and care with investor Jenna Nicholas
    2026/05/21
    Send a love messageAndrea Hiott in conversation with investor Jenna Nicholas. Jenna discusses her book The Enlightened Bottom Line and how spirituality, love, and purpose can inform investing and business rather than oppose them. She traces formative experiences from ages 11–14 in a Swiss “Transformation for Peace” program and speaking at Commonwealth Day in Westminster Abbey, including meeting Desmond Tutu, to the confidence instilled by her mother and grandmother, faith, and a lifelong practice of hosting “Saturdays at Jen’s” discussion groups.After moving from London to Stanford, she was inspired by social entrepreneurs, worked on socially responsible investing in China with mentor Wayne Silby (Calvert Funds), and later organized experiences and interviews exploring profit–purpose paradoxes. She describes practices like symbolic objects to bridge divides, dreams-based decision-making in the Amazon, and a HEAL framework (Hope, Empathy, Abundance, Legacy), emphasizing pauses, stewardship, seven-generation thinking, and money as “currency” valuable when in motion.Find Jenna’s book The Enlightened Bottom Line here.Parker Palmer conversation with Andrea is hereJacob Needleman conversation with Andrea is here.00:00 Welcome and Book Setup00:25 Teen Years and Abbey Speech02:25 Tutu High Five and Lasting Joy04:01 the Women Who Raised Her06:48 Holding Paradox in Community08:56 From Stanford to Impact Investing11:40 Choosing Stanford by Fate14:43 Wayne Silby and Legacy Shift17:18 Bhutan and Business of Happiness19:24 Enoughness and Inner Compass22:52 Saturdays at Jens Conversations25:14 Fierce Love in Organizations27:25 Creating Listening Spaces28:03 Building Impact Experience28:40 Coal Meets Solar Values30:13 Redefining Money Capital34:00 Heal Framework Questions35:37 Hope Empathy Abundance37:16 Playful Abundance Wand40:04 Amazon Dream Circles43:03 Death Joy Legacy46:31 Stewardship Seven Generations49:02 Reflection Questions Pauses52:40 Grandmother Loving Kindness55:37 Honoring Stories Love57:15 Podcast FarewellThe Enlightened Bottom Line by Jenna NicholasJenna’s Substack is here.Jenna on LinkedInBaha’i FaithBooks discussed in addition to the Enlightened Bottom Line:InnSaei: the Icelandic Art of Intuition by Hrund GunnsteinsdottirThe Soul of Money by Lynne TwistFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.The Thrive Careers Podcast My career wasn’t a straight line—it was a series of pivots, survival jobs, and...Listen on: Apple Podcasts Leadership Lessons From The Great BooksUnderstanding great literature is better than trying to read and understand (yet)...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.
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    1 時間 12 分
  • #86 A.A. Kostas and his WayMarkers (including Chris McCandless, C.S. Lewis, Robert Pirsig, Thomas Merton, D.T. Suzuki, & Christian mystics)

    #86 A.A. Kostas and his WayMarkers (including Chris McCandless, C.S. Lewis, Robert Pirsig, Thomas Merton, D.T. Suzuki, & Christian mystics)
    2026/05/07

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    What Marks our Movement through life?

    Andrea Hiott interviews A.A. Kostas, a Singapore-based lawyer and writer who runs the Substack Way Markers, blending poetry, fiction, and essays. They discuss how moving through different places shaped his writing and his interest in avoiding simplistic binaries through discernment—first identifying what kind of decision is in front of you—using hiking metaphors of many paths versus a narrow ridge. Alex cites Into the Wild as a cautionary way marker about seeking truth without rejecting human connection, and describes a Cradle Mountain hike where his wife had to find her own route. They explore how technology reinforces binary thinking, why poetry and music hold meanings beneath prose, and the value of humility from engaging Western and Eastern traditions (including Merton and Suzuki). They examine care as uncomfortable attention, the importance of embodied presence, and Alex’s experience of fatherhood as immediate responsibility and obligation where love grows.

    00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro
    02:21 Becoming a Writer
    03:51 Growing Up Everywhere
    05:15 What Is Way Markers
    07:12 Pilgrimage and Substack
    10:29 Into the Wild Lessons
    14:29 Beyond Binary Thinking
    18:49 Cradle Mountain Metaphor
    22:36 Discernment and Ridge Lines
    25:20 Tech Shapes Our Minds
    27:00 Why Braid Genres
    31:04 Music and Poetry Under Language
    34:12 Law as Applied Philosophy
    37:41 Zen Meets Catholic Mysticism
    43:00 Humility and Unknowing
    46:48 Craving Oneness Safely
    48:19 Mystical Moments Explained
    50:20 Flow State With Meaning
    51:00 Desire Points to God
    52:25 You Cant Conjure Awe
    56:14 Care In Writing
    58:36 Audience Capture Trap
    59:27 Pamphlets Off The Internet
    01:02:40 Love Is Uncomfortable
    01:17:58 Fellow Travelers And Faith
    01:24:28 Humor Holds Paradox
    01:28:34 Fatherhood And Obligation
    01:32:18 Closing Reflections

    See the Substack for links to the books mentioned.

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    1 時間 42 分
  • #85 Punk, Tech & Care: B. Scot Rousse on Being Human in the Age AI and Ambassadors of Possibility (Dreyfus, Flores, Heidegger, Kierkegaard)

    #85 Punk, Tech & Care: B. Scot Rousse on Being Human in the Age AI and Ambassadors of Possibility (Dreyfus, Flores, Heidegger, Kierkegaard)
    2026/04/27
    Send a love messageB. Scot Rousse (“B”)'s substack, "Without Why," focuses on what it means to be alive in an age of intelligent machines. He is philosopher in residence at Topos Institute and visiting scholar in Philosophy at Berkeley. He also drums in 3 punk bands.To support us, please sign up for the newsletter or Give any amount.Andrea Hiott has a conversation with philosopher B. Scot Rousse (“B”). B is an Oakland-based, Berkeley-affiliated Heidegger and phenomenology scholar focused on AI’s effects on our capacities to care. He is also a Topos Institute affiliate and a punk drummer. Andrea and B discuss Heidegger’s care as living in “meaningful differences,” embodied affordances, moods, and existential orientation. They explore how AI risks compulsive optimization and an overly narrow picture of the role of language in human life. B argues that technologies design ways of being human, urges users and designers to ask “for the sake of what,” articulates punk’s embodied, communal, joyful “controlled chaos” as an antidote to technological nihilism, and celebrates love and care in their visceral, pluralistic, and risky uncontrollability. Along the way, B traces a path from growing up Hare Krishna in Florida, to an encounter with a philosophy teacher who encouraged his transfer to UC Berkeley where he came under the mentorship of Hubert Dreyfus, whose teaching and critiques of symbolic AI shaped B’s work. B also shares about his work with philosopher-entrepreneur Fernando Flores (thanks to an introduction by Dreyfus), who applies philosophy to organizational “networks of conversations” that coordinate commitments and care for customer concerns, drawing on his experience in Chilean political history and ontological reinterpretation of entrepreneurship. In all of these experiences, B focuses on an abiding and urgent question: How do we protect our capacity to care in an age of optimization? How can you create, in your life, your version of the worldly joy and shared meaning of being in a punk band?B’s substack is Without Why. He currently drums in the bands Realistic, Vexxyl, and Wildfire.Here is the piece on Hubert Drefyus that Andrea mentions.Subscribe to B’s YouTube channel here. Support the Hubert Dreyfus Audio Archive Project here.ShareSubscribe now00:00 Welcome and Care Question00:36 Meet B Scot Rousse04:31 Highlights and Themes07:08 B Introduces Himself08:14 From Krishna Roots to Philosophy10:27 Teacher to Berkeley and Dreyfus12:01 Ambassadors of Possibility13:16 Dreyfus Mentorship Years14:52 Fernando Flores and Careful Organizations18:40 Heideggerian Care Meets AI23:56 Care and Agency in Analytic Ethics30:04 Mattering and Affordances33:13 Dreyfus on Technology and Optimization38:00 Language as Commitments Not Info39:02 Language as Commitment40:54 Why LLMs Aren’t Human Language43:18 Training, Deployment, Disembodiment45:22 Languaging vs Symbol Systems49:44 Care and Ontological Design52:41 Compulsive Chatbot Loops55:30 Disorientation and No Recipes01:02:10 Kierkegaard and Commitment01:11:35 Practicing Conversation with AI01:14:38 Punk as Embodied Community01:17:46 Punk As Belonging01:18:50 Drummer Life And Community01:19:14 Mood Joy And Chaos01:21:10 Entropy And AI Randomness01:23:19 Choosing The Wild Path01:27:01 Teaching At The Edge01:33:01 Meaning Is Out There45:45 Care As Human IntFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.The Thrive Careers Podcast My career wasn’t a straight line—it was a series of pivots, survival jobs, and...Listen on: Apple Podcasts Leadership Lessons From The Great BooksUnderstanding great literature is better than trying to read and understand (yet)...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.
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    1 時間 52 分
  • #84 There is No Average Individual: The Great Psychology Delusion with Marek McGann

    #84 There is No Average Individual: The Great Psychology Delusion with Marek McGann
    2026/04/17
    Send a love messageThe Great Psychology Delusion: Why the Mean Misleads and Pluralism MattersRead the book here.This is an academic psychology-focused episode with lecturer Marek McGann, whose work spans enactive cognitive science, embodiment, politics, feminist philosophy, and STS. Andrea and Marek discuss his co-authored book The Great Psychology Delusion with Craig Speelman. McGann explains why “delusion” fits psychology’s persistence in treating long-critiqued assumptions as valid, especially the aggregation delusion: averaging group data and applying it to individuals despite human non-interchangeability and change over time, linked to the ergodic assumption and ergodic theorem conditions rarely met in human behavior. They discuss how averaging can create misleading “laws” (e.g., power law of learning), the research–practice gap in clinical work, psychology’s history and method-driven identity, and the need for disciplined, pluralistic, scale-aware science that better integrates perspectives and practitioner expertise.00:00 Show Intro And Guest01:23 Book Thesis And Stakes02:24 Aggregation Delusion Explained03:54 Research Practice Gap04:49 More Detailed Book Summary07:47 Averaging Artifacts And Ergodicity09:29 Careful Critique Not Anti Psychology11:06 Warm Reorientation Sendoff11:51 Conversation Begins15:17 Why Call It Delusion20:11 How Psychology Became Method Led31:08 Aggregation Delusion Deep Dive33:35 Ergodic Fallacy in Humans35:21 Scale Slippage and Delusion37:59 Research Practice Gap Explained41:01 Clinician Code Switching42:46 Many Scales of Mind43:57 MRI Averaging Pitfalls48:32 Method Silos and Identities52:43 Care, Careers, and Canalization55:27 GPS Model for Pluralism01:00:33 Pluralism Not Relativism01:02:58 Why Marek Cares01:06:06 Psychology’s Moment of Change01:06:56 Closing Thanks and WrapMarek McGann has been a lecturer in the Department of Psychology since 2005. His principal research is theoretical work on the enactive approach to cognitive science, which examines the mind more as something we do rather than something we have. This is also related to ecological approaches to psychology, which explore how behaviour and mental life can be examined by looking at what your head is in, rather than what is in your head. He also has a related interest in critical considerations of theory and scientific practice in psychology more broadly.Marek co-convenes the ENSO Seminars, a series of online seminars with researchers from enactive and ecological cognitive science.The paper Andrea mentions: Facing LifeBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Full intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.The Thrive Careers Podcast My career wasn’t a straight line—it was a series of pivots, survival jobs, and...Listen on: Apple Podcasts Leadership Lessons From The Great BooksUnderstanding great literature is better than trying to read and understand (yet)...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.
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    1 時間 11 分