A YouTube compilation of 75-year-olds finishing Ironman made Mick Kelly cry in his living room — six years later he's signed up for a 200-mile race with more elevation than Everest.

The We Got The Chocolates host joins Courtney and Liam for the first proper podcaster-on-podcaster episode: the 4:30am bike crash where he lay in the road wondering why he'd bother getting up, the Rainbow Beach vomit video he chose to film, and why he picked a human coach over AI.

Plus the Sydney Marathon medal that accidentally featured a stadium in Munich, Mondo Duplantis releasing a pop single, and an honest take on why run clubs aren't for everyone. Two blokes who train talking to a bloke who makes content for a living — and does the training anyway.

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Liam made a bold prediction about 'On Running' brand back in January. Last week it cost Roger Federer seventy-four million dollars in a single day. That's the hand-up moment this episode starts on, before the boys get into whether the running world has too much access — Michael Jordan, Bill Murray, and the surfers who reckon marketing is ruining the sport.

Plus the six things that make up a premium runner's $1,500 annual budget, Courtney's verdict on Liam's floaty shorts, and why major marathons are just grown up Ooshies.

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A running brand where you can't buy the kit until your Strava time says you've earned it — Liam reckons that's a concept, not a gimmick, and Courtney wants in.

Liam debriefs his City to Surf TV commentary debut, why Mona's 35-year-old record still runs the whole event, and the Andy Buchanan story that got him into the good books with the Buchanans.

Then: the Hyrox founder admits the name came out of a lawsuit and a legal test, a US report puts trail running at $20 billion, and a listener who's sacked two coaches for AI sparks a proper conversation about whose running it actually is.

Plus Australia's toughest foot race: 63.5kg of wheat, one kilometre, and the world's smallest mountain.

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Everyone does the Mona Fartlek. Almost nobody does it properly — and Courtney admits he's one of them, letting his floats slide into jogs so the reps look quicker.

From there it's Keely Hodgkinson's new Nike signature collection and what it says about where athlete branding is heading, plus the sharpest line either of us has read this year: influencers bring reach, athletes bring trust, and confusing the two is why sports marketing is a mess.

Also: the world's-fittest-person fallout, a hurdler breaking records on a Maccas order, and Liam's proposal that any café charging eight bucks a coffee should have to show its working.

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Who is genuinely the fittest person on Earth: Tadej Pogačar, Kilian Jornet, a CrossFit champion or someone else entirely?

Courtney and Liam unpack Australia’s Commonwealth Games dominance, Dean Boxall’s extraordinary medal haul, Lockie Kennedy’s breakout performance and Sydney Marathon’s new AI mindset coach.

There’s also run-club controversy in Bali, Courtney’s Running of the Bulls survival story, a proposal for $3,000 premium marathon toilets, Liam confronting his open-water fears and a huge City2Surf broadcasting announcement to finish.

Subscribe and join the In the Beginning family for more Australian running, endurance sport and the occasional completely unhinged scheme.

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Courtney and Liam are back covering the strange space after a major race — when the finish line is gone, motivation dips and it’s time to find the next target.

They unpack the simple five-minute rule for getting yourself out the door, debate whether ASICS has officially overtaken Nike, and ask whether wearing event merchandise after race weekend is acceptable behaviour.

Plus, the Tour de France’s controversial 2am drug test, Courtney’s unforgettable drug-testing experience inside a moving train toilet, the story and storytelling behind a historic mile performance, Commonwealth Games noise and the latest Clydesdale running challenge.

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Courtney's had enough of blokes walking around town in Alphaflys, and it kicks off a proper deep dive — from a ⁠Runners World ⁠ piece on desexualising athletics broadcasts, to Nike ACG's slushy-machine aid station truck, to a full stats rabbit hole across soccer, AFL and NRL fitness tests.

Then it's a full Gold Coast Marathon wrap: run club flag culture, the Official Unofficial account calling out dodgy Strava times, a blind runner's finish line moment, and the birth of a new ITB tradition — "In The Beginning Rules Apply."

Plus Liam's new post-Miler goal and early guesses at Courtney's next marathon.

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The Gold Coast Marathon is done, the legs are cooked, and Courtney is already quietly looking towards another marathon in November.

This week, Liam and Courtney unpack what proper marathon recovery should actually look like — from the science of damaged muscles and suppressed immunity to Michael Shelley’s far simpler philosophy: go on holiday, have a beer and let the brain switch off.

They also reflect on a huge Gold Coast weekend, the messages from runners who used the podcast to get to the start line, Haftu Strintzos’ record-breaking run, why Australia might be in a golden generation of distance running, and why our best athletes still need bigger stories and personalities around them.

Plus: is Gold Coast now officially Australia’s fastest marathon, what identity should Melbourne own, the rise of matching run-club outfits, a new capture-the-flag race concept, Tour de France chat, and the dream runners Liam and Courtney want on the podcast next.

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