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A simple prayer can change your whole life: God, help me see the city as you see it. That’s where our conversation with former pastor and LTR Ministries director Collin Packer begins—and it carries us into the uncomfortable, necessary terrain of race, unity, and responsibility in the American church. We trace Collin’s path from suburban bubble to a courtroom seat during the 2019 Botham Jean trial, and the moment he discovered his own namesake enslaved people in the very county he pastored. The question that follows becomes unavoidable: if unity is biblical, what does it ask us to repair?
We talk plainly about the tension many Christians feel—claims of reverse discrimination set against decades of data on systemic disparities, like Black maternal and infant mortality rates that remain high regardless of income. Kelley shares the personal weight of advocating for her children in schools and the ache of hearing “that can’t be true,” while Collin lays out a posture that opens hearts instead of hardening them: lead with curiosity, say “tell me more,” and believe the story. We dig into local history—Dallas highways that split neighborhoods, Fair Park’s legacy, Hamilton Park’s roots—and celebrate the Black church’s witness that broadened the faith of figures like Dietrich Bonhoeffer. When we learn the names, places, and people under our feet, unity stops being abstract and turns into discipleship.
Collin explains how LTR Ministries equips white Christians through a five-week, biblically grounded course that builds language, context, and courage without shifting emotional labor onto people of color. It’s not about guilt; it’s about responsibility and repair. We land with a breath prayer and a calm, steady invitation: learn your city, risk better conversations, and practice unity that costs something. Connect with LTR Ministries at https://ltrministries.com.
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