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  • Episode #575: Scaling Planet Fitness-Lessons in Execution and Growth from CJ Bouchard

    Episode #575: Scaling Planet Fitness-Lessons in Execution and Growth from CJ Bouchard
    2025/11/20
    In this episode of HALO Talks, industry veteran CJ Bouchard opens up to host Pete Moore about the realities of entrepreneurship in the fitness industry, sharing candid stories of risk, resilience, and what it really means to build from the ground up. From betting his savings on a fledgling franchise in North Carolina and initially making daily two-hour commutes, to pivoting and learning tough lessons about club size, site selection, and market expansion, CJ reveals how grit, adaptability, and a clear mission have fueled Excel Fitness's phenomenal growth. Planet Fitness (NYSE:PLNT) is one of the largest and fastest-growing operators of fitness centers in the U.S, and Excel Fitness Holdings is one of their largest franchisees currently operating 150+ clubs in Austin, Dallas/Ft Worth, Tulsa, Northwest Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Georgia, and Virginia. Their mission is to build a team culture and atmosphere constructed on trust, humility, and strong relationships, always leading by example and putting others first with the utmost integrity, dedication, and accountability. Pete and CJ also dive into how partnering with private equity has transformed the business, what it takes to be a successful operator in today's market, what to expect when working with a PE firm, and the importance of building a strong team and community-driven approach. CJ also shares the meaning behind his "Hope is not a strategy" tattoo, and why execution—not wishful thinking—remains his guiding principle. Whether you're a club owner, aspiring HALO sector entrepreneur, or curious about how major fitness brands expand, this episode is packed with actionable insights, real-world advice, and plenty of inspiration from one of the industry's top leaders. Key themes discussed Entrepreneurial journey and early struggles in fitness industry.Evolution and disruption of the Planet Fitness business model.Challenges involved in club building and expansion.The critical importance of location for a gym's success.Strategic growth: Acquisitions, private equity, and territory development.Leadership style: Clarity, vision, and execution over hope. A Few Takeaways: 1.Entrepreneurial Grit & Humble Beginnings: Bouchard started in the fitness industry as a personal trainer without a college degree, working in Connecticut's gym scene and grinding through tough times. He didn't take a paycheck for two years and put payroll on credit cards when launching his first Planet Fitness in North Carolina. Real entrepreneurship often means sacrifice, resilience, and relentless commitment. 2. Evolution from "Hardcore" Gyms to Disrupting the Market: CJ's transition from traditional gyms (Gold's, World Gym, etc.) to Planet Fitness highlights a change in business philosophy. It went from focusing on "results" to focusing on "access." He recognized Planet's disruptive model early on, betting on a concept that many were skeptical about and ultimately building one of the largest Planet Fitness area development companies in the country. 3. Importance of Site Selection and Operational Knowledge: Both Bouchard and Moore emphasized how crucial it is to understand the nuances of real estate, site selection, and the operational details of running clubs. The value of personally touring sites and knowing the history and layout of each location is essential. Software and reports can't replace firsthand experience. 4. Strategic Growth: Mergers, Acquisitions & Private Equity: Under CJ, Excel Fitness strategically expanded through acquiring clubs, merging with other operators, and partnering with private equity (Olympus Partners.) CJ shared how growth now includes both new club development and acquisitions of existing gyms (like Texas Family Fitness), always with an eye on preserving legacy and community as much as possible. 5. Culture, Team, and Values: CJ's leadership philosophy stresses execution, daily engagement in operations, and a moral compass focused on building communities through fitness. His tattoo "Hope Is Not a Strategy" clearly shows his belief in preparation and action, not relying on luck. He also spoke passionately about valuing long-term employees and creating opportunities for others in the organization. Resources: CJ Bouchard: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-bouchard-9ba3aa7Excel Fitness: https://www.excelfitness.comPlanet Fitness: https://www.planetfitness.comIntegrity Square: https://www.integritysq.comProspect Wizard: https://www.theprospectwizard.comPromotion Vault: https://www.promotionvault.comHigherDose: https://www.higherdose.com
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    41 分
  • Episode #574: Elevate Fitness Evolution-Real Estate, Recovery, and Community Impact With Tom Muller

    Episode #574: Elevate Fitness Evolution-Real Estate, Recovery, and Community Impact With Tom Muller
    2025/11/18

    In this episode of HALO Talks, host Pete Moore sits down with long-time friend and industry veteran Tom Muller, owner of Elevate Fitness in Syracuse, NY. With roots that stretch back to the Gold's Gym days, Tom shares his journey through decades of shifting trends, club expansions, and the pivotal decision to rebrand and tech-enable his business for the modern member experience. From innovative fitness programming and thriving tennis and swim programs to the impact of major local investments like Micron and Amazon, Tom reveals the strategies that have kept Elevate thriving in a stable, but fiercely competitive market.

    Tom has always focused on building strong programming for his clubs. Under his guidance, both locations have developed powerful personal training programs and dynamic group exercise offerings. Group X classes, including yoga and Pilates, are a highlight, and Tom even launched a dedicated Pilates studio for reformer sessions. As fitness trends changed, he also transitioned away from spinning classes, transforming that area into a personal training studio and expanding turf areas.

    Whether you're a fitness entrepreneur, club owner, or just passionate about the HALO sector, you'll find plenty of actionable insights in what Tom has gone through. Stay tuned for a deep dive into leadership, community, and the evolving future of fitness in Upstate New York!

    Regarding keeping clubs relevant Muller states, "I think we've done a decent job of keeping our capex up, staying relevant, and having the clubs new. I mean they're built in the 70's! And I don't think when you walked in you probably didn't think you were going back in the 70's."

    Key themes discussed

    • Club evolution and facility repurposing.
    • Strength training's resurgence in fitness trends.
    • Member-focused tech and software upgrades.
    • Layered memberships and revenue strategies.
    • Impact of local economic developments (Micron, Amazon.)
    • Tennis and swim programming excellence.
    • Real estate ownership and long-term club investment.

    A Few Key Takeaways:

    1. Club Evolution & Adaptability: Tom shares his story from Gold's Gym to Elevate and explains how adapting the club's facilities (converting tennis and racquetball courts to new amenities, etc) has been key to staying current with industry trends and maintaining relevance in the community.

    2. Focus on Programming & Membership Layers: A strong emphasis is placed on diverse programming: Personal training, Group X classes, Pilates, yoga, and more. Tom also highlights the move to layered memberships, allowing for upselling and greater value for members, especially through services like recovery centers.

    3. Leveraging Technology: Switching to an integrated platform like Zenoti streamlined operations, combined all member-facing tech under one roof, and has allowed Tom and his team to better track member behavior, manage layered memberships, offer targeted promotions, and drive revenue more efficiently.

    4. Real Estate Ownership as a Strategic Advantage: Owning the club real estate provides flexibility for ongoing capital improvements. Muller underscores how continuous investment in capex helps keep the clubs up-to-date and competitive, especially crucial in a stable but slowly evolving market like Syracuse.

    5: Strength in Tennis, Swimming, and Community Roots: Tom mentioned that tennis and swim programming are extremely stable parts of the business, with strong staff and high-quality instruction leading to waiting lists despite competition. Tom's approach is to "grow where you're planted," mastering the local market and building deep community ties rather than spreading too thin or constantly pursuing greener pastures.

    Resources:

    • Tom Muller: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-muller-elevate-fitness
    • Elevate Fitness: https://www.elevatesyracuse.com
    • Integrity Square: https://www.integritysq.com
    • Prospect Wizard: https://www.theprospectwizard.com
    • Promotion Vault: https://www.promotionvault.com
    • HigherDose: https://www.higherdose.com
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    28 分
  • HALO Talks Fast Break: Pickleball Consulting, Court Installs, and Industry Trends With Kaitlin Miller from Court Kings

    HALO Talks Fast Break: Pickleball Consulting, Court Installs, and Industry Trends With Kaitlin Miller from Court Kings
    2025/11/13

    Excited to share highlights from this week's HALO Talks FastBreak featuring Kaitlin Miller from Court Kings. A level 5 player herself, Kaitlin and Pete dive deep into the rapid growth of pickleball and how Court Kings innovative court solutions are shaping the industry—especially for health and fitness facilities.

    3 key takeaways:

    • Booming Demand: Pickleball courts in NYC (especially at Life Time Inc.) are booked solid from open to close—sometimes with waitlists to join! If your facility hasn't added pickleball yet, now is the time.
    • Turnkey Court Solutions: Court Kings was recently named the preferred court builder for USA Pickleball and offers end-to-end services from consulting and court surfacing to fencing, nets, and soundproofing—making it easy for facility owners to get started.
    • Fast Installation: With proper planning, facilities can have new courts installed in as little as 2–4 weeks. Early communication (with the General Contractor especially) and material ordering are key to a smooth rollout.

    If you're considering adding pickleball to your location, listen now for fresh industry insights and practical advice on possible next steps.

    Also? If you missed it, we have an entire pickleball category playlist on HALO Talks. Check that out here: https://www.halotalks.com/category/podcasts/pickleball/

    Contact Kaitlin directly for more information: kaitlin@courtkings.com

    Resources:

    • Kaitlin Miller: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaitlin-miller-40a354a3/
    • Court Kings: https://courtkings.com/
    • Prospect Wizard: http://www.theprospectwizard.com
    • Promotion Vault: http://www.promotionvault.com
    • HigherDose: http://www.higherdose.com

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    8 分
  • Episode #573: How LightStim Revolutionized LED Beds and the Med Spa Industry with Steve Marchese

    Episode #573: How LightStim Revolutionized LED Beds and the Med Spa Industry with Steve Marchese
    2025/11/11
    Welcome to another episode of HALO Talks! In today's episode, Integrity Square Founder and host Pete Moore sits down with Steve Marchese, the founder of LightStim, to dig into the transformative power of LED light technology and its growing role in med spas and wellness centers across the country. Steve shares the LightStim origin story, which was born out of a personal mission to help his own son combat dangerously high blood pressure when traditional medicine offered no solutions. What started as a family "Hail Mary" turned into years of rigorous innovation, FDA collaboration, and breakthroughs in the science of light therapy. The conversation touches on how LightStim developed from handheld devices for skincare to pioneering full-body LED beds, navigating ongoing regulatory controversies of LED and red light therapy, and the persistence needed to create products that truly deliver results. After a few years, Steve saw an opportunity to expand, developing adjustable facial panels for the professional market. This new direction quickly gained traction, and soon, his company was supplying advanced skincare technology to nearly 50,000 spas, med spas, and doctors' offices across the country. Pete and Steve discuss not only the science and technology "backbone" of the products, but also the entrepreneurial journey, the realities of protecting intellectual property, and the future of wellness tech in the HALO sector. Plus, Steve relays a very cool story about how LightStim helped NFL star Saquon Barkley make an unlikely comeback. (Just one example of the real-world results this technology can achieve!) When they made the decision to build an LED bed, Steve states, "There really weren't any beds on the market at that time. We didn't know what it would do, but it was kind of our Hail Mary. The bed ended up taking us six years working directly with the FDA and millions of dollars to actually perfect it before we put it on the market." Key themes discussed Development and innovation of LED light therapy beds.FDA clearance and regulatory challenges for medical devices.Family-run business and entrepreneurial journey.Scientific explanations: ATP and nitric oxide impacts.Industry competition and copycat products.Legal risks and class action lawsuits.Med spa and HALO sector expansion. A Few Key Takeaways: 1. Persistence in Innovation Leads to Breakthroughs: Steve shared the challenges of developing LightStim—what began with handheld LED devices for wrinkles, acne, and pain, evolved into a full-body LED bed. The driving force was personal: Helping his son with dangerously high blood pressure when traditional medicine couldn't. This persistence, trial and error, and working closely with the FDA led to a patented technology that now serves both home consumers and professionals in 50,000+ locations. 2. Understanding Science Behind Red Light Therapy: The effectiveness of their LED bed wasn't mere luck. Initially Steve thought the improvement was due to increased ATP production in mitochondria. Later, with input from Dr. Nathan Bryan, he realized the real impact was in the release of nitric oxide, which relaxes blood vessels and lowers blood pressure. 3. Navigating Regulatory and Legal Landscapes: Getting FDA "clearance" (not "approval"—that's for drugs), especially for a full-body device, is an extremely rigorous process requiring through technical testing and proof of efficacy. Steve explained (some of the many) specific FDA requirements that go into this, such as needing to heat the whole body to the right temperature. Few competitors can actually demonstrate passing these tests, despite what they claim, and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is now aggressively policing unsubstantiated wellness claims. 4. Dealing with Competition and Copycats: When asked how he handles rivals with copycat products, Marchese emphasized focusing on building a trustworthy brand and continuing to innovate, rather than spending resources on chasing down every infringer. He pointed out that regulatory and legal scrutiny (from both the FTC and class action law firms) is also helping to weed out companies making unsupported claims. 5. Growth and Family-First Business Approach: LightStim is a classic case of a family-run business that managed to scale. Steve mentioned his wife runs the company as President and his son is now COO—showing a strong family dynamic and a personal connection to the business's mission. The company supports large-scale franchise partners and offers both purchase and leasing options for its products. Resources: Steve Marchese: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-marchese-04168472 LightStim: https://lightstim.com/ Integrity Square: https://www.integritysq.comProspect Wizard: https://www.theprospectwizard.comPromotion Vault: https://www.promotionvault.comHigherDose: https://www.higherdose.com
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    27 分
  • Episode #572: Building Hone Fitness-Jim Solomon's Urban Strategy and Lessons from Toronto's Fitness Scene

    Episode #572: Building Hone Fitness-Jim Solomon's Urban Strategy and Lessons from Toronto's Fitness Scene
    2025/11/04
    Welcome to HALO Talks, where we dive into the entrepreneurial journeys and strategic insights shaping the HALO sector! (Health, Active Lifestyle, Outdoors.) In this episode, host Pete Moore sits down with longtime friend and industry veteran Jim Solomon, founder of Hone Fitness. Broadcasting on location from Toronto, Jim shares his story of more than 26 years in the fitness space, from his early days as a senior associate at Gold's Gym to building and selling clubs in Toronto's unique urban neighborhoods. They talk candidly about the "puzzle" that is site selection in metropolitan cities, the evolution and simplicity of the Hone Fitness brand, and the importance of understanding real estate and local culture to create lasting success. Jim and Pete reflect on decades of fitness industry experience, discuss lessons learned from mergers, acquisitions, and private equity partnerships, and reveal how a lean, neighborhood-focused strategy led Hone to thrive in a fast-growing, diverse city. Whether you're an operator, investor, or just passionate about health and fitness, this episode offers valuable perspectives on building resilient businesses—and unlocking growth in ever-changing urban landscapes. When it comes to learning to embrace discomfort while you're growing, Jim states, "When you put your CEO and Founder hat on while you're working for a private equity fund, you go to that fund and say, 'Hey, I'm going to bring you opportunities. None of these opportunities are going to look the same and you're going to have to be comfortable or get comfortable.' That's what we talk about when it comes to neighborhood box traffic flows, density, where things are going and what might be coming. In a gentrifying neighborhood, you gotta get comfortable with being uncomfortable." Key themes discussed Strategic site selection and urban gym growth challenges.Importance of neighborhood-specific approaches in city locations.Differentiating gym brands in competitive markets.Role of simplicity in gym membership models.Private equity influence and acquisition in the fitness industry.Team-building and leveraging immigrant talent.Toronto's unique demographic and public transit's impact on gyms. A Few Key Takeaways: 1. Urban Fitness Expansion Is a Puzzle, Not a Formula: Both Pete and Jim emphasized that successful urban health club development is highly neighborhood-driven, not something simply solved by software or standard models. Detailed, hands-on site selection, walking the neighborhoods, and understanding local demographics are key. As Pete shared, "You gotta live it, really literally live it," underlining the complexity of choosing gym locations. 2. Simplicity Wins in Membership and Operations: Jim built Hone Fitness on the principle of keeping things simple—no hidden fees, straightforward pricing, and easy-to-understand memberships. This allows for a better customer experience, less conflicts at the front desk, and high rates of online membership signups. He purposely avoids complexity, saying, "I like it simple. I've always liked it simple at Crunch, Extreme, and now Hone." 3. Neighborhood "Ownership" Drives Success: Hone's strategy is to become a destination for a specific neighborhood rather than trying to match competitors directly. This means taking advantage of each area's unique dynamics and avoiding duplication of offerings that are better served elsewhere, such as group fitness or children's clubs. As Jim explained, "You have to own a neighborhood when you're in a city like Toronto." 4. Young Immigrant Workforce Is a Competitive Advantage: The team at Hone is largely composed of young immigrants who are motivated, industrious, and looking for opportunities they couldn't find at home. Jim noted the importance of this for management and front desk positions, highlighting that their drive and willingness to work hard has been a huge asset for the business. 5. Subway Access Is Critical in Urban Gym Strategy: In Toronto, proximity to major subway lines is a critical factor in site selection. Jim also stressed that gyms on these lines perform well because they match where young, dense populations travel. "Young and Bloor have the two big subway lines—if you're there and not too close to a GoodLife, you'll do well." Resources: Jim Solomon: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/jim-solomon-81187317 Hone Fitness: https://www.honefitness.com/ Integrity Square: https://www.integritysq.comProspect Wizard: https://www.theprospectwizard.comPromotion Vault: https://www.promotionvault.comHigherDose: https://www.higherdose.com
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    39 分
  • Episode #571: Why Personalized Men's Health Is the Future-Insights from MNLY's Founder, Luke Hartelust

    Episode #571: Why Personalized Men's Health Is the Future-Insights from MNLY's Founder, Luke Hartelust
    2025/10/28

    Welcome to another episode of HALO Talks! Today, host Pete Moore sits down with Luke Hartelust--a dynamic entrepreneur and now the founder of MNLY--who made the leap from the oil and gas rigs off the coast of Australia to California's innovative health tech scene. Luke shares his journey from the grueling world of offshore drilling to launching and scaling fitness businesses, including his instrumental role in bringing F45 Training to Southern California.

    The conversation dives deep into his latest venture, a groundbreaking men's health platform that uses AI, cutting-edge blood analysis, and custom supplementation to help men take true ownership of their health. Tune in to hear his insights on building community, the power of personalization in wellness, and what it takes to stand out in the rapidly evolving health optimization space.

    When it comes to the personalized health revolution he states, "Based on your blood work, our model will prescribe specific doses of specific micronutrients, aminos, herbs, extracts and minerals into that custom supplement formula that comes in morning, noon and night packs."

    Key themes discussed

    • Career transition from oil and gas to health tech.
    • Entrepreneurship journey and lessons learned from failures.
    • F45 Training franchise growth and operational strategies.
    • Brand protection and building strong community engagement.
    • Men's health issues and the need for accountability.
    • Personalized, AI-driven health optimization and supplement plans.
    • Differentiation of in the men's health market.

    A Few Key Takeaways:

    1. From Oil Rigs to Health Tech: Luke shared his path from working shifts on oil rigs to building fitness businesses and eventually moving into health tech. His drive was sparked by a personal epiphany—wanting to create a better life and help others, which led him to become an entrepreneur.

    2. Lessons Learned from F45 and Brand Protection: Luke's experience scaling F45 franchises in Southern California gave him a "six-year apprenticeship" in what to do—and what not to do—when building and protecting a brand. A key takeaway: Focus on the emotions your brand evokes and prioritize building a strong community before chasing customer acquisition at scale.

    3. Identifying a Gap in Men's Health-Accountability Over Access: After experiencing low energy despite living a healthy lifestyle, Luke discovered his own testosterone was severely low and saw first-hand the ineffectiveness and friction in telehealth for men. He believes the real crisis isn't just health, but accountability and ownership—people need tools and systems that make it easier for them to take proactive control of their well-being.

    4. MNLY's Personalized Health Platform-Seamless, AI-Driven, and Fast: MNLY stands apart by integrating AI-powered testing and personalized recommendations to deliver tailored health plans and custom supplement packs. Customers use an at-home blood kit and environmental health assessment, then receive actionable insights and products within days—removing friction points common in traditional telehealth models.

    5. Proven Results and a Focus on Efficiency: MNLY's approach delivers results about 50% faster than most competitors, according to Luke, and their pilot data showed significant improvements in markers like testosterone (on average, a 30% increase in 90 days among test users). Their evolving concierge model combines AI-driven support with human coaching, aiming to streamline the path to better health for busy men.

    Resources:

    • Luke Hartelust: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luke-hartelust-597332253
    • MNLY: https://www.getmnly.com
    • Integrity Square: https://www.integritysq.com
    • Prospect Wizard: https://www.theprospectwizard.com
    • Promotion Vault: http://www.promotionvault.com
    • HigherDose: http://www.higherdose.com
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    28 分
  • Episode #570: Lessons from Three Decades in Fitness-Rick Dennis's Approach to Member Experience and Club Operations

    Episode #570: Lessons from Three Decades in Fitness-Rick Dennis's Approach to Member Experience and Club Operations
    2025/10/22

    Welcome to HALO Talks! In today's episode, host Pete Moore sits down with Rick Dennis, Co-Founder of Bakersfield's Body Xchange and a definite "OG" in the HALO sector. With over 30 years of experience—including a storied career at Family Fitness, 24 Hour Fitness, and launching successful clubs with longtime partner John Ovanessian—Rick shares insights on evolving gym models, member experience, and responding to changing trends.

    Rick and Pete chat about how Body Xchange became a place "where everybody trains," adapting to the post-COVID demand for more strength training, flexible facilities, and self-guided workouts. Rick opens up about the importance of listening to your local community, running a tight operation with zero leverage, and the unique advantages of local ownership in a burgeoning market like Bakersfield, CA.

    Pete and Rick also chat about future growth—both for Body Xchange and the Bakersfield area itself—as well as reflections on how today's athletes are changing the game in high school sports and beyond. Listen now for a conversation packed with industry wisdom and practical takeaways for fitness professionals (and enthusiasts!)

    On the "power" of staying debt-free Dennis states, "We're definitely not a leveraged company. I think that's something that's really important to understand because as you mentioned, with 24 Hour Fitness, once you get leveraged then there's restrictions to that. We've never had those kinds of restrictions because of the foundation and how we built it."

    Key themes discussed

    • Evolution of Body Xchange and their club model.
    • Shift toward strength training post-COVID.
    • Local market dynamics and growth in Bakersfield.
    • Importance of a debt-free, reinvestment-focused business.
    • Personal touch of local ownership versus national chains.
    • Future expansion opportunities in nearby cities.

    A Few Key Takeaways:

    1. Evolution of Member Experience & Strength Focus: Rick highlighted how their business model has shifted post-COVID, with a significant pivot towards strength training and member-driven use of space. Recognizing the growing interest in free weights and Olympic lifting, they repurposed areas like group fitness rooms to fit more strength equipment, reflecting the changing fitness trends among younger demographics.

    2. Deep Local Roots & Smart Growth: The Bakersfield market is robust and expanding, with affordable housing attracting a young population. Rick emphasized how their deep local knowledge allows them to strategically backfill old locations and position themselves in growth corridors, staying ahead of national chains and big box gyms.

    3. Debt-Free, Locally-Owned, and Well-Maintained Clubs: Rick and John built Body Xchange with a focus on being debt-free and maintaining strong local ownership. This approach means they can swiftly reinvest in facilities, ensure equipment is always up to par, and maintain a high-touch presence—reasons why members prefer their facilities over less locally involved national chains.

    4. Adaptable Operational Strategy: Body Xchange made a post-COVID decision to pause personal training, acknowledging a shift toward self-guided, technology-driven workouts. Rick notes they still onboard members and provide guidance, and could easily reboot personal training if the right talent emerges.

    5. Expansion Opportunities & Local Demographics: Looking ahead, Rick sees potential for 2–3 more locations within Bakersfield and more expansion into comparable communities like Palmdale and Lancaster, as well as midsized cities between Bakersfield and Fresno or west along the Central Coast. He stressed their ability to replicate the Body Xchange DNA by maintaining control over real estate and ensuring each new club matches the model's culture and values.

    Resources:

    • Rick Dennis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-dennis-795252175/
    • Body Xchange: https://www.bxfitness.com
    • Integrity Square: https://www.integritysq.com
    • Prospect Wizard: https://www.theprospectwizard.com
    • Promotion Vault: http://www.promotionvault.com
    • HigherDose: http://www.higherdose.com
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    32 分
  • Episode #569: Essence Over Analytics: Duff McDonald Explores Purpose, Presence, and People in Entrepreneurship

    Episode #569: Essence Over Analytics: Duff McDonald Explores Purpose, Presence, and People in Entrepreneurship
    2025/10/14
    Welcome to another episode of HALO Talks! Today, host Pete Moore sits down with Duff McDonald, former investment banker and well known business journalist, for a fantastic chat. Duff, whose career has spanned investment banking, business journalism, and bestselling books like "The Golden Passport" and "Tickled," shares insights on how numbers and data have come to dominate our understanding of business and life—but why they often fail to capture what really matters. In this episode, you'll hear Duff break down the difference between "experts" and "specialists," challenge conventional thinking on metrics, and advocate for living—and doing business—in the present. Pete and Duff explore why true connection, presence, and awareness can lead to better decisions, stronger relationships, and more meaningful work, especially in the world of health clubs and other verticals in the HALO sector. Whether you're an entrepreneur, leader, or simply curious about finding more joy and meaning in your day-to-day, this conversation will invite you to rethink how you measure success and what it means to build something that truly "tickles" you. When we talk about coming "full circle," Duff definitely can relate. He says, "I worked at Goldman Sachs for two years. I was an investment banker in their analyst program, left that and went into business journalism and spent 20 years as a magazine writer, left that and sort of stopped doing so much magazine writing when the Internet kind of destroyed the economics of print, and weirdly, ironically, ended up writing books after that!" Key themes discussed Numbers vs. Essence: Counting doesn't capture true meaning or human experience.Specialists vs. Experts: Doing is valued over analyzing and predicting.Relationships Over Metrics: Human connection outweighs numerical data in business.Entrepreneurship Mindset: Focus on purpose, not just growth or financial results.COVID Reflections: The pandemic brought unexpected personal growth and realizations.Recruiting and Team Building: Seek people driven by passion and engagement. A Few Key Takeaways: 1. Numbers Don't Capture the Whole Story: McDonald challenges the idea that, "if you have the numbers, you have the story." Having spent years in business banking and journalism, he realized that while numbers can track growth or comparison, they can't really grasp the true essence of a business. Counting and data analysis are certainly valuable, but they're just one dimension—true meaning often lies elsewhere. 2. The Power of Presence Over Metrics: The most impactful moments in life and business happen when you're fully present in the moment—not distracted by the past or anxiously projecting into the future. Duff relates how, during the pandemic, his own mindset shifted to appreciating the "now," leading to more genuine experiences and better decision-making. This is a reminder that being present—not just monitoring KPIs or quarterly numbers—can actually produce the strongest connections and best results. 3. The Difference Between Experts and Specialists: Duff makes a subtle but powerful distinction: Experts count, analyze, and predict; specialists do, master, and experience. (Read that again!) Real business insight (and life satisfaction) often comes from those with hands-on expertise—the "specialists"—rather than just those who look at or talk about the data. For example, if you're sick, you want the infectious disease specialist, not just the epidemiologist with numbers. 4. Human Connection and Authenticity Trump Data for Retention: Specifically for health clubs and service businesses, Duff and Pete agree that relationships are everything. Customer retention and loyalty aren't driven by clever data models, but by staff who are present, ask questions, and genuinely care. Looking people in the eye, building trust, and creating a real bond is more effective (and fulfilling) than merely simply tracking attrition rates or conversion numbers. 5. Find What "Tickles" You—and Others: Duff's philosophy, as explored in "Tickled," is about seeking out what genuinely excites and engages you. When people are truly passionate ("tickled" by what they're doing), their energy is palpable and contagious—whether in recruiting, management, or customer interactions. Asking "What are you passionate about?" or "What tickles you?" leads to deeper, more meaningful relationships, both personally and professionally. Resources: Duff McDonald: https://theduffproject.com/ Duff McDonald LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/duff-mcdonald-076a8664 Duff's Books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Duff-McDonald/author/B001K8NXAU Integrity Square: https://www.integritysq.comProspect Wizard: https://www.theprospectwizard.comPromotion Vault: http://www.promotionvault.comHigherDose: http://www.higherdose.com
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    42 分