Family-owned businesses face a unique challenge as they grow. The legacy, the relationships and the history are strengths, but they also make senior hiring more complex than most leaders admit.

• The importance of preparation, alignment and culture mapping before you go to market
• What good succession planning and market entry look like from a people perspective
• How leaders can build long-term relationships with talent and search partners, not just run one-off processes

It is a practical, honest conversation about setting executives up for success in complex, family-owned environments and using people strategy as a lever for growth rather than an afterthought.

Links from the Episode:

• linkedin.com/in/michaelfieldcom
• https://www.evettfield.com/

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Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

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In this powerful episode of Future People, Dan sits down with leadership adviser Byron Rienstra, who has spent more than 25 years working alongside CEOs, boards and founders across Asia and Australia. Together they dive into the uncomfortable, essential questions most leadership books avoid: the difference between management and leadership, why high IQ is often overrated, and why so many “successful” leaders quietly avoid the truth.

Byron shares brutal, career-defining lessons, including the global remuneration committee “disaster” that blew up in his face and changed the way he leads forever. He unpacks why promoting the smartest technician often fails, how ego and status make senior leaders less open to feedback over time, and why the real work of leadership is sense making, courage and creating followership, not being the hero with all the answers.

Links from the Episode:

• linkedin.com/in/byron-rienstra
• bpartnersgroup.com

This episode was brought to you by:

Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

About the Hosts

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

Connect on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/daniel-moussa-1307a522

Please contact us if you:

• Want to come on board as a show sponsor
• Are interested in joining the show as a co-host
• Have feedback or suggestions on how to make the show better

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In this episode of Future People, Dan sits down with Tamara Somers, the global head of Sustainability & Impact at Xero - one of the most influential roles shaping how millions of small businesses navigate sustainability, compliance, and climate action.

Fresh off a whirlwind trip to the UK, Tamara dives into the realities of doing sustainability work at scale: the trade-offs, the pragmatism, and why progress matters more than perfection. She unpacks the growing pressure on SMEs to provide sustainability data, how Xero is helping simplify carbon accounting through its partnership with Someday, and why AI is both a massive accelerator and a misunderstood target of criticism.

Links from the Episode:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/somerstamara/

This episode was brought to you by:

Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

Connect on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/daniel-moussa-1307a522

Please contact us if you:

• Want to come on board as a show sponsor
• Are interested in joining the show as a co-host
• Have feedback or suggestions on how to make the show better

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Every organisation has an employer brand - whether they realise it or not. But how many actually own it, live it, and use it to attract the right people?

In this episode of Future People, Dan sits down with Mark Puncher, Founder & CEO of Employer Branding Australia, to unpack what employer branding really means beyond glossy campaigns and polished job ads.

Mark brings more than two decades of experience helping organisations tell their story honestly - building brands that are as real on the inside as they look on the outside. Together they explore:

• Why your employer brand isn’t a marketing exercise - it’s leadership in action
• The three essentials of powerful employer branding: proposition, strategy, and storytelling
• How authenticity and imperfection drive connection (and why scripted videos kill it)
• The CEO’s role in shaping culture and reputation
• The “magnet, compass, and blade” test every brand should pass
• And what the age of AI means for human storytelling and trust

If you lead people, hire people, or care about culture - this one’s for you.

Links from the Episode:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpuncher/
• https://www.employerbrandingaustralia.com/

This episode was brought to you by:

Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

Connect on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/daniel-moussa-1307a522

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Dan sits down with former professional rugby coach and leadership advisor Neil Tunnah to explore what it really takes to build teams that perform at the highest level. From the hidden dangers of “performance restriction” to the overlooked role of culture carriers, Neil shares hard-won lessons from sport and business. His framework of Connection, Clarity, and Consistency offers leaders a practical path to creating environments where people thrive and results follow.

Links from the Episode:

• https://www.theperformancechain.com/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/neil-tunnah-0a2071122/

This episode was brought to you by:

Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

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Please contact us if you:

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Andrew Chapman, CEO of the Queensland Major Contractors Association, joins Dan to unpack how Brisbane 2032 can leave a real legacy beyond stadiums — with transport-first planning, collaborative procurement, and modern methods of construction. From “think slow, act fast” delivery to modular health and housing, Andrew maps the priorities, the pitfalls, and the leadership mindset Queensland needs to turn a record pipeline into long-term value for people, places, and productivity.

Links from the Episode:

• https://qmca.com.au/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-chapman-30711216/

This episode was brought to you by:

Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

Connect on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/daniel-moussa-1307a522

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Dan sits down with seasoned development leader Debbie McNamara to unpack what really delivers complex projects: people, clarity and long-term partnership. From UK PPP lessons to Australian health infrastructure, they explore program-over-project thinking, housing as a system (not a silo), and why culture and relationships outperform contracts when curveballs hit. Debbie also maps the skills future leaders need - adaptability, values, systems thinking and curiosity—and makes the case for welcoming global experience back into Australia.

This episode was brought to you by:

Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

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In this debut episode of Future People, Dan Moussa sits down with Marrin Boyd-Andrews, founder of ProPrompt, to unpack the seismic impact of AI on talent and work. From prompt engineering and human-in-the-loop systems to the rise of personal AI “agents,” Marrin explains why adaptability is the new superpower — and how leaders, recruiters, and job seekers can stay ahead in a world where AI is the great leveler.

Links from the Episode:

• www.proprompt.store
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/marrinboydandrews/

This episode was brought to you by:

Thirdway Advisory www.thirdwayadvisory.com.au

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

Connect on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/daniel-moussa-1307a522

Please contact us if you:

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