Police in schools: safety measure or deeper problem? In this episode, I talk with Dr. Sebastián Sclofsky about random drug searches, school resource officers, and why some policies and practices might do more harm than good.

We discuss:

-Why random searches are often ineffective and what the data really shows

-How carceral logic-surveillance, discipline, and punishment-undermines student trust

-The unintended consequences of “zero tolerance” policies and the school-to-prison pipeline

-What safer, more transformative approaches to education might look like

-The bigger picture: capitalism, state violence, and the myths behind the “war on drugs”

If you’re an educator, parent, or anyone concerned about the future of schools, this episode will challenge the way you think about safety, authority, and trust in education.

More on Dr. Sclofsky:

https://www.sebasclofsky.com

email: jsclofsky@csustan.edu

Chapters

0:00 - Introduction & disclaimers

1:10 - Meeting Dr. Sebastian Sclofsky (and how this episode started)

4:30 - The classroom dog search incident

10:05 - Random searches, effectiveness, and false positives

15:45 - The carceral logic in schools: surveillance, control, and punishment

22:20 - Educational trust vs. policing authority

30:15 - Zero tolerance policies and their consequences

36:40 - The role of teachers, administrators, and counselors

44:10 - Why schools resemble prisons: “cells and bells” design

52:30 - Safe environments vs. punitive discipline

1:00:15 - Parents’ perspectives and the illusion of safety

1:08:40 - War on drugs, individual choice, and systemic issues

1:20:55 - Social trust, democracy, and the role of police

1:30:25 - The school-to-prison pipeline explained

1:39:10 - Can police be agents of social justice?

1:47:00 - Public policy, economics, and community engagement

1:55:45 - Closing thoughts: What schools and society should reconsider

In this episode, Jake and Morgan dive into Chapter 4, "Traditional Grading Hides Information, Invites Biases, and Provides Misleading Information," from Joe Feldman's transformative book "Grading for Equity." They explore Feldman's critique of traditional grading practices, discussing how methods like averaging grades and incorporating behavioral factors distort true measures of learning and disadvantage marginalized students. The conversation delves into the impact on student motivation, the perpetuation of inequities, and the importance of separating academic performance from behavior. Highlighting Feldman's advocacy for standards-based grading and formative assessments, Jake and Morgan share personal anecdotes and practical tips for implementing more equitable grading practices in classrooms, aiming to create a fairer and more effective educational system.As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases using the links which follow. Using these links to purchase recommended books is a way to help support this podcast.Recommended Reading:Grading for Equity by Joe Feldman:Paperback: https://amzn.to/3CmMi2JAudiobook: https://amzn.to/3J7F9HlUNgrading by Susan BlumPaperback: https://amzn.to/3P5z0ztAudiobook: https://amzn.to/43yTxkjThe Self-Driven Child by by William Stixrud and Ned JohnsonPaperback: https://amzn.to/42z2nx7Audiobook: https://amzn.to/3CnmxiYWhat We Know About Grading: What Works, What Doesn't, and What's Next by Thomas R. Guskey & Susan M. BrookhartPaperback: https://amzn.to/3EoSgkLCHAPTERS:00:00 Opening00:20 Introduction & recap with takeaways12:26 Mechanisms of inaccuracy18:00 Behavioral data, bias, & human psychology33:00 Analyzing your gradebook: Feel good about noticing37:50 Psychological effects of gradebooks48:59 Grade hacks55:10 Mathematical soundness of the grade1:00:01 Questions to consider1:15:12 Closing

Grading for Equity Book Study #4

Jake and Morgan discuss Chapter 3: "How Traditional Grading Stifles Risk-Taking and Supports the Commodity of Grades" from the book Grading for Equity by Joe Feldman, a book that is helping schools and teachers upgrade the way that we assess and measure student learning. In our study of this chapter we discuss above all, the role of risk-taking and trust in teaching and learning, and we go into detail about how using grades as an artificial extrinsic incentive undermines the relationship of trust between student and teacher and thus undermines the process of learning. Any teachers who seek to understand the various impacts of grading practices should benefit from hearing and considering the ideas discussed, and likewise from reading the book and integrating the ideas into their practice. You can buy this book and others with the links below. As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases using the links which follow. Using these links to purchase recommended books is a way to help support this podcast. Recommended Reading: Grading for Equity by Joe Feldman: Paperback: https://amzn.to/3CmMi2J Audiobook: https://amzn.to/3J7F9Hl UNgrading by Susan Blum Paperback: https://amzn.to/3P5z0zt Audiobook: https://amzn.to/43yTxkj The Self-Driven Child by by William Stixrud and Ned Johnson Paperback: https://amzn.to/42z2nx7 Audiobook: https://amzn.to/3CnmxiY What We Know About Grading: What Works, What Doesn't, and What's Next by Thomas R. Guskey & Susan M. Brookhart Paperback: https://amzn.to/3EoSgkL CHAPTERS:

00:00 - Disclaimer

00:22 - Opening quote on trust & risk taking

01:40 - I broke into Morgan’s car.

05:17 - Checking in about work, grading, and communication

14:27 - Changing grading practices with a team

16:41 - Grading for Equity Chapter 3 Introduction

19:10 - Risk taking and safe failure 

20:37 - Points can undermine trust.

23:29 - What is this book study for?

26:31 - The way you grade affects everything.

33:14 - The pace of learning

39:06 - Wait, why are we doing a book study?

41:56 - Sending mixed messages to students

54:49 - Students as allies vs. adversaries

1:02:59 - Kill your ego or undermine trust

1:09:32 - Be the best substitute teacher you can be

1:15:59 - The element of trust

1:22:32 - Human connection, empathy, and critical thinking

1:27:33 - Intrinsic motivation, extrinsic rewards, and behavioral science

1:33:53 - Discussion on engagement

1:50:38 - Incentive systems

2:01:14 - Effects of points on self concept and anxiety

2:04:21 - Shares & celebrations, provoking thought

2:14:45 - Closing