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  • Leaders, Seek Volunteers More Gifted than You

    Leaders, Seek Volunteers More Gifted than You
    2025/08/26
    Kat Armstrong Kay Daigle Leaders are always on the hunt for good volunteers. The question is what to look for in a potential volunteer. The answer? Recruit gifted volunteers, in fact look for those more gifted than you are. What does it look like practically? Kat Armstrong discusses with Kay Daigle why and how to find and empower such volunteers. As a leader, this episode will make you think about what gifts you need in the people working under and with you. Keep in mind that you need to recruit gifted volunteers, people who are even more gifted than you are! Recommended resources Recruit the right volunteers with Kat Armstrong How Should I Structure My Women's Ministry Team? Maximizing volunteers This episode is available on video as well. TranscriptKay >> Hi, I'm Kay Daigle with Beyond Ordinary Women, and I am delighted to welcome you to a series of videos that I'm doing with Kat Armstrong, who is the founder of Polished Ministry, a nonprofit. And Kat is sharing lessons in leadership that she has learned through leading in Polished. And we have some others that we're discussing as well. But this particular session we're going to talk about seeking leaders that are more gifted than you. And so, Kat, there are probably people out there wondering why in the world you would want to seek leaders more gifted than you, because don't you want to sort of be the one who knows all the answers and, you know, you're sort of at the top of the food chain. Why not? Kat >> Well, yes, I used to think that way. I read this book by John Maxwell, probably 15 years ago called Developing the Leaders Around You. And that book changed my mind about this. And he said, “Think about your leadership on a scale with zero being not such a great leader, got to work on some things, and ten being really high capacity person. He said, “Let's say that we're seven maybe six-and-a-half. If you start recruiting eight, nines and tens in your organization, they're going to bring you up. They're only going to encourage you in leadership and make you a better leader. And I think Stephanie and I, when we co-founded this organization, really took that to heart. But I started to see quickly that if we were going to reach our peers with the gospel—young, professional women (I only had experience in sales and marketing), we needed women who were great in accounting and logistics and administration and technology. Things that I'm not going to be able to learn really quickly or efficiently. But they know how to do it. And so we just decided let's recruit the smartest, fastest, most efficient women we can think of. And it is a little intimidating. I walk into a leadership team meeting, and I think everyone in here is better educated and could do a lot of things better than I can. But it just makes our team really strong. Kay >> Absolutely. I totally agree with you about that. Do you have an example to share of someone or a group that really was just an amazing recruit? Kat >> Sure. If we look at our staff right now, I wish I could talk about all of them. We don't have time to do that. But I think if you just go to our website, look at the headquarters staff, they're incredible. Felicia Benton really stands out in my mind is someone I watched behind a microphone and I thought, wow, she is better at interviewing than I have gotten in a decade. And I've really been practicing. We've done over 200 events. I bet I've interviewed a slew of people and it was like magic to watch her behind a microphone. And then I watched her emcee an event, and I thought of all the things I've read in the training I've been to that is just raw, natural talent right there. It's and now she's joined our staff as the regional director, and she helps all of our directors and see and speak. And so she's training people on how to do that. But I think she probably stands out as a great example for that. Kay >> Well,
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  • Shepherding a Small Group

    Shepherding a Small Group
    2025/08/12
    Lynn Hoffmann Kay Daigle Lynn Hoffmann joins Kay Daigle in this conversation focused on shepherding a small group. Lynn shares from her extensive experience as a small group leader, including many years in 12 Step studies. What does shepherding a small group entail? Lynn suggests beginning with a well-defined purpose for your group. She focuses on the importance of making it a safe place for each group member. This episode provides specific and practical help for any small group leader who wants to disciple a group to flourish and follow Jesus. This episode is also available on video if you prefer. Recommended resources Steps into God's Grace by Lynn Hoffmann Small Groups' Page to see all of our resources Building Community in Small Groups--Share Life stories Leading a Small Group Toward Spiritual Growth series: 1. Essentials, 2. Preparation, 3. Discussions Intergenerational Small Groups Timestamps: 00:21 Introductions 02:01 Biblical shepherds 06:50 Why be in a small group to begin with? 14:55 Practicing confidentiality 23:24 How do you know if the group is growing together? 25:30 How do you connect with women outside of the group when needed? 30:22 Group should be about the "one another" verses 38:16 Picture yourself as the shepherd of your group 40:30 Lynn's final challenge 42:43 Other suggested resources TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle. Welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women Podcast. Today I am talking with my friend Lynn Hoffmann. Welcome, Lynn. Lynn >> Well, thank you, Kay. I’m so glad to be here. Kay >> Well, we are so glad to have you today. I've been looking forward to this and a lot for a long time in fact, I've been trying to get Lynn on here for a long, long time. And I think we finally hit on some things she wanted to talk about. So here we are we're going to talk today about leaders as shepherds. We're going to be talking about shepherding small groups. And really shepherding is an aspect of discipleship. And so that's where discipling people were shepherding them. And so let me just tell you a little bit about Lynn, but you can find more about her on our website, BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org. Go to the dropdown menu where it talks about the “About Us” and look under video podcast contributors and you'll be able to read all the details about Lynn and all the things that she's done. But I will tell you that she's had years of involvement in recovery ministry. She taught she led groups, she's mentored women, and she wrote her own book that she began using Steps into God's Grace. And we'll let her talk about that at the end of our podcast a little bit. Now, she's the certified spiritual director so she's done a lot of different things. And I know that she's going to be a blessing to all of you out there. Since we're talking about shepherding, I thought we would just talk for just a few minutes about sheep a little bit and shepherding since it's used so much in the Bible and there's a reason because we are like sheep in a lot of ways. And I'm not going to talk about how we're like shape, but I'm going to talk about shepherding a little bit So I thought we would look at a few scriptures. I'm not going to really open all these and read the whole thing for you right now. But I would encourage you to read back through Psalm 23. I'm sure everyone is familiar. “The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want He makes me dwell down in green pastures. He restores my soul.” And all of that is the wonderful Psalm. It's one of my very favorite. So I think it's probably on everybody's top ten list, at least of passages. So we learn a little bit about a shepherd as we look at Psalm 23. It says that the shepherd thinks of what the sheep need, what kind of food they need. He leads them there. He protects them from their enemies. And he's a companion. He helps heal them. And we see all of that in Psalm 23. And then in John 10,
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  • When We Talk to God

    When We Talk to God
    2025/07/29
    Sharifa Stevens Kay Daigle Sharifa Stevens, author of When We Talk to God: Prayers and Poems for Black Women, talks with Kay Daigle about her book. Although it's written with black women in mind, any woman can identify with most of the feelings that permeate this beautiful book. This is a book that prays women's feelings, as the Psalms do. There is something for each reader as Sharifa pours out her heart in these prayers and poems. Recommended resources sharifastevens.com sharifahstevens.substack.com Podcast series with Nika Spaulding: Understanding Lament & Practicing Lament The Psalms This episode is also available on video. Timestamps: 00:20 Introduction to Sharifa & her book 01:39 Sharifa's heart for the book and how it came to be 08:03 How do you see women of other backgrounds connect to the poems & prayers? 10:08 What did you hope that black women of faith would take from your book? 11:31 Women are worthy to talk to God. 15:22 Some of the prayers may be challenging but no topic is off limits with God 16:35 How did you deal with reliving difficult experiences? 18:54 Sharifa shares a favorite, "Moving On Up." 22:26 Resources TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay with Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. Welcome to our podcast. Our guest today is actually one of our ministry team members, Sharifa Stevens. And today she is the one being interviewed rather than just one of our team members. So, Sharifa, it’s so great to see you as always. Sharifa >> It's always a pleasure to see you, Kay. Kay >> Now, Sharifa, according to her book, Sharifa is a writer, a poet, a speaker, and a singer. And it's all true. Sharifa >> It's true. This is going to be so fun! Kay >> I don't know... I'm not quite sure why you think this is so funny. That's the wonderful things that you are. Sharifa >> It is. It's wonderful. Kay >> She looks so sad. Sharifa >> I'm so sorry. I'm not. I'm so happy. Kay >> Anyway, we won't talk about you anymore if it'll make you feel better. Sharifa >> Okay. Kay >> You can read Sharifa's entire bio on our site BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org. So today we are talking to Sharifa because she has a book, and it is beautiful. It is one of the prettiest books I've ever seen. And it is When We Talk to God: Prayers and Poems for Black Women. So Sharifa, actually, I was just really blown away by your book, by the beauty of it, by so many of the poems and prayers in it. It just really touched my heart in a lot of ways. It reminded me a lot of the psalms, which mean a whole lot to me, because you had a lot of raw emotion in there like the psalmist, and it all came from your heart. And there's no doubt about it. That kind of expressed your deepest thoughts. And, you know, just like the Psalms that give us words to pray when we don't know what to say to God. I see your book is doing that for a lot of people there. There will be a lot of poems and prayers in here that will be very dear to many women who will read them and pray them over and over. I think, just like the Psalms, it will help people when they face difficulties be anchored in the Word when that happens. Thank you for doing this. Sharifa >> Thank you for those affirming words. And I am especially honored that you would draw a parallel to the Psalms because that was my goal. And I see the Bible as being so vivid and rich with emotional depth that it's not just an intellectual exercise to read the Bible. It is spiritual, and it's also emotional, and it reflects the fullness of God's love and of our humanity. And so in the book, I wanted to reflect some of that back to the frankness and intimacy of the Psalms and the prophetic voice of the prophets, and the thirst for justice that echoes throughout the prophetic books, and also the playfulness of the Song of Solomon. They're just different beats in the Bible. There's history, there's lamentation, there's so much praise,
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  • Prayer and Obedience

    Prayer and Obedience
    2025/07/15
    Kay Daigle What does prayer with obedience look like? Claudia McGuire, BOW Team Member, talks with Kay Daigle about it. She uses Psalm 31 as her example of exactly how she prays and obeys God from reading and meditating on the Word of God. This is an episode for any Christian who is searching for a deeper prayer life and application for her Bible reading. Claudia's honest insights into her prayer own life are invaluable. Recommended resources involving prayer Why is Prayer So Hard? Part 1: A Matter of the Heart & Part 2: Life Issues Prayer for the Overwhelmed Entrusting the Future to God Practical Prayer Solutions Seeking Joy in the Psalms This episode is available on video if you prefer to watch. Timestamps: 00:18 Introductions 01:22 What does it mean to pray with obedience? 05:39 Psalm 31, an example of how to incorporate scriptures into your prayers and obedience 34:11 Other resources on prayer TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle. Welcome to our podcast for Beyond Ordinary Women. My friend who isn't actually a guest because she is a member of our ministry team, but this is Claudia McGuire, and we've had her on many times. Welcome, Claudia. I'm so glad you're with me today. Thank you. Claudia >> I'm happy to be here today. Thank you for asking me. Kay >> Right. Well, Claudia is going to talk about praying with obedience. Now, Claudia has lots of experience in the church world. She worked at Chase Oaks Church for almost two decades, I think, a long time. She still speaks and teaches Bible studies and does leadership stuff and will speak at a retreat or a training of any kind. And so today, she's going to talk about prayer. We've talked about prayer before, but today, Claudia wanted to talk about praying with obedience. So I have to ask you what does that mean to pray with obedience? Claudia >> Well, I think that is a great question. Kay >> You never expected one! Claudia >> I didn't very well, actually. I don't think we think about it. I'm wondering if we think about that aspect of prayer enough for those of us who who do pray. I think that we just don't take into account that prayer is more than just casting our cares on God, just throwing things at him and saying, “Help me. Get help me get out of this—or whatever.” There is an aspect of obedience, and that's kind of what I want to talk through as I go through this psalm. Psalm 31 is what we're going to look at. But prayer in itself, which is the ability to communicate with our creator. I think it started way back in the Garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve used to walk in the cool of the day in the garden and talk to God. And I don't really see or know specifically how that morphed into our current prayer life. You know how we pray today, but we do see prayers all throughout the Bible, and it’s just a privilege that I think our God has given us. Not only is it a privilege, but it's also something I think that involves an aspect of surrender when we come to God. It involves trust that he's there. It takes vulnerability on our part to actually come before the throne of grace, as the Bible calls it. And then, really when we open our hearts and our needs to the Father, that also involves listening and believing that he hears. So if we're actively praying about something without listening or looking for God to answer, we might be missing one of the biggest aspects of prayer, which is obedience. Like if I'm praying about something—my obedience or what I might hear or sense—it’s that I just really need to keep praying about this. It’s something I don't have a peace about. I have no idea what the answer is or the outcome is going to be. That could be my obedience is just keep praying about it. It could be that maybe God impresses on me to go to somebody. Maybe I need to ask her forgiveness. Maybe there's something that's creating a barrier between me and God. You know, that's obedience. Do I hear that?
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  • Peacemaking Practices

    Peacemaking Practices
    2025/07/01
    Dr. Sue Edwards Dr. Kay Daigle In this final episode of the three-part series Empowering Leaders to Survive and Thrive Through Conflict, Dr. Sue Edwards discusses biblical peace-making practices with Kay Daigle. Connect to the previous two episodes in this series: Get Ready for Conflict, Leaders; and Women's Tendencies in Conflict. Or watch all episodes on video. Recommended resources Oletha Barnett's podcast series, Fight Right: 1. The Nature of Conflict, 2. Biblical Resolution 3. Accepting Other's Differences. All are also available on video. All BOW videos on dealing with conflict Book: Leading Women Who Wound: Strategies for an Effective Ministry by Sue Edwards & Kelley Mathews Elizabeth Woodson's short Leader Tip: Tell the Truth BOW's downloadable resource list Timestamps 00:21 Introduction to the topic 01:40 Deciding whether to approach the other person 04:08 Emotional health is necessary 05:17 How to identify women who are likely unhealthy 10:36 Contents of Sue's book 12:06 How Sue weathered the conflict she faced TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle of Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. Welcome to the third in a series of our videos on conflict with Dr. Sue Edwards from Dallas Seminary. You can read her bio online. We began by discussing Be Prepared for Conflict. And in our last video, we talked about just the Tendencies of Women—not for all women, but many women tend to deal with conflict in a certain way. And in this video, we're going to talk about Peacemaking Practices for Sisters. And I'm excited about really getting into how to take care of conflict. I'd also like to let you know that we did a series with Oletha Barnett that really gave the foundational principles that Sue's going to kind of take some of those apart in a practical way for us no—to how to make peace and what the Bible says about conflict. And so that really is important for you to have those principles you may need to go back. That would be the third video in that series called Fight Right with Oletha Barnett, which you can find on our website. And also on our Vimeo page. So, Sue, as you think about this, what are the peacemaking practices for sisters? Sue >> Well, of course, as Oletha said, Matthew 18:15-17 gives us some really three different steps and that helps us know that we want to master that. Although it's easy to make things formulaic when you're in real situations. It's not quite that easy. But still the principles in these steps that Jesus taught us are wonderful. Kay >> Well, let me ask you, before you even get into those, how do you decide that you need to go to one of those practices? How do you know when you have to sort of attack the problem rather than let it settle? Sue >> Well, I know when there's a possible relational disconnect. That to me, relationships are so important for the unity of the body—that we women work together, that we love each other, we support each other. So if there is a possibility, if I see that woman at the grocery store and I go the other aisle or I'm still having imaginary conversations with her three or four days later, then I know that this needs to be dealt with. Or if I even get a sense that she's hurt or she's avoiding me. And what we want to do is come together, but in a sense of a learning conversation. In other words, I want to sit down with you because you are important to me. I love you as a sister in Christ, and I don't want anything to interfere with our relationship. And so if there's anything that might, so there's ways to do it that are not so scary. So, a lot of times we hate this. We think it's going to get mean and confrontational. It doesn't have to. And if that person is a healthy person, then you come at it with that kind of tone of voice and hard attitude because you think there's some issue, whether they did it, whether you did it, whatever. I would go and try to work that through. And if they're healthy,
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  • Women’s Tendencies in Conflict

    Women’s Tendencies in Conflict
    2025/06/17
    Dr. Kay Daigle Dr. Sue Edwards In this second video in the series Leaders, Survive and Thrive in Conflict, Dr. Sue Edwards discusses women's tendencies in conflict with Dr. Kay Daigle. Knowing our womanly inclinations when confronted with conflict enables us to practice good peacemaking that will serve us well in such situations. As leaders, there will be times when conflict arises within our church or organization, and we need to deal with it well. Learning about women's tendencies in conflict will also help any of us to overcome our usual reactions and follow Jesus as peacemakers. After all, Jesus values them as he said in the Beatitudes, "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God" (Matt. 5:9, NET). If you missed the first episode, access Get Ready for Conflict, Leaders. Or watch all episodes on video. Recommended resources Oletha Barnett's podcast series, Fight Right: 1. The Nature of Conflict, 2. Biblical Resolution 3. Accepting Other's Differences. All are also available on video. All BOW videos on dealing with conflict Book: Leading Women Who Wound: Strategies for an Effective Ministry by Sue Edwards & Kelley Mathews Elizabeth Woodson's short Leader Tip: Tell the Truth This episode is also available on video. Timestamps: 00:16 Introductions 00:58 What research shows 06:57 Women live in a relational web. 10:59 Approaching conflict with grace & strength TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle of Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. And I'm welcoming you to this second video in our series on conflict with Dr. Sue Edwards. Our series is really focused toward leaders, and Sue is giving us some tips on how to survive and thrive through conflict as leaders. In the first video, we just talked about being ready, being prepared, that conflict is going to happen. And Sue shared some of her own personal experiences with conflict as I have. And in this one we're going to talk about women's tendencies in conflict because women have some tendencies that are a little bit different from the way men might handle conflict. As I told you in the first video, you can read Sue's full bio on our website as she is an Associate Professor at Dallas Seminary. And we are so thankful that she gave us the time to talk about this. So Sue in your experience, in your research, what can you tell us about women in conflict? Sue >> Well, I think, first of all, I would give a warning that we don't want to put everybody in the same box, that stereotypes are dangerous and misleading. But there are some tendencies that are real, and I've experienced them. You probably have as well. And as women and women leaders particularly we just need to be aware. Kay >> Some of them will apply to the leaders themselves. Sue >> Yes. Yes. Kay >> And if you're a leader, you need to know what your tendencies are. Sue >> Exactly. And you need to know that as a leader, often you're working with men. So if you don't understand how you may come at this differently, then you will possibly have some real problems. So this is helpful just to be aware. Kay >> I think of the story you told in the last video that the executive pastor gave you 15 minutes to mediate an entire conflict. That's a man's tendency isn't it? Sue >> Yes, and he ended up having to—then we had three or four more sessions as a result because there was no possible way because we were in this personally. That's something that we see Janet Lever has done research on children's playgrounds and she has spent large blocks of time watching children play together. And what she has observed is that the little boys will come together, and when there is a conflict, they will get into it physically and verbally. Then they'll be rolling in the dirt, and they'll be really going after each other. But she's watching and the next day, they're fine. They don't hold on to this at all. It's just a way to work things out.
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  • Get Ready for Conflict, Leader

    Get Ready for Conflict, Leader
    2025/06/03
    Dr. Sue Edwards Dr. Kay Daigle If you're a leader, get ready for conflict according to Dr. Sue Edwards of Dallas Seminary. It's inevitable, so we need to prepare for it as best we can. Dr. Edwards and Dr. Kay Daigle tell the story of a conflict they were both involved in years ago. Dr. Edwards strongly suggests that we learn about peacemaking now and practice it in every part of our lives. Get ready for conflict! Don't miss the second podcast in the series: Women's Tendencies in Conflict, and the third, Empowering Practices in Conflict. Right now all are available on video, but the second and third will drop on our podcast soon. This episode is available on video as well. Recommended resources Oletha Barnett's podcast series, Fight Right: 1. The Nature of Conflict, 2. Biblical Resolution 3. Accepting Other's Differences. All are also available on video. All BOW videos on dealing with conflict Book: Leading Women Who Wound: Strategies for an Effective Ministry by Sue Edwards & Kelley Mathews Timestamps 00:22 Introduction 02:45 Get ready for conflict 08:07 Research confirms the need to become peacemakers. 09:43 Conflict in Jesus' life TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle of Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries, and I'd like to welcome you to a series on conflict. Our guest today is Dr. Sue Edwards from Dallas Seminary. Sue is the Associate Professor of Educational Ministries and Leadership there. Her complete bio is on our website if you want to read that. This series is really a follow up to a series that we previously posted with Oletha Barnett called “Fight Right,” which will give you the basics of conflict. Sue and I today are going to talk more specifically about leadership. The title of this series is “Empowering Leaders to Survive and Thrive through Conflict.” So this will be specifically for you, but you will need the basics that Oletha gives about handling it and just some other tips that she has. It's a wonderful series. You'll find it also on our website at BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org. This is the first in three. Right now, we're just going to talk about “Get Ready.” Just to give you a little background, Sue and I met years ago and really at the time, Sue was weathering a conflict that she may talk about some in this series. I got drawn into the conflict really when I wouldn't take a stand against Sue by the people that were attacking her. And so I became a second target of these people. It bonded me and Sue because we were dealing with the same people and had experienced some of the same things. It was a very difficult time, I know for her, and it certainly was for me. So I know that Sue not only has studied conflict and studied scripturally what to do with conflict, but she has experienced conflict. She has weathered it; she has experienced it; and she has learned about it. So, Sue, I'm excited to hear what you are going to tell us about conflict and we're talking about get ready. So get us ready. Sue >> I'll start out by just saying be ready because conflict is coming and the more influential you are as a leader, the more conflict you'll experience. And our experience was, oh my goodness, it was a horrendous year for me. I was leading a women's ministry and we were in the same church there. And a rival Bible teacher (Now, those words should never even be in the same sentence, but that was the reality of what was going on.), she attempted to have me thrown out of the church as a false teacher, and it was over a doctrinal issue that at our seminary our professors agreed to disagree about. It's a gray area and godly people take different stands on it. But this woman she was not willing to do that. In fact, I remember sitting in the Executive Pastor's office, and she was glaring at me over the table and she said, “You are holding women's hands to hell.” It was that kind of rhetoric that was going on and the Executive Pastor basically said, and of course,
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  • Using Questions Like Jesus

    Using Questions Like Jesus
    2025/05/20
    Nika Spaulding Kay Daigle Nika Spaulding joins Kay Daigle for this fun and helpful conversation as she discusses using questions like Jesus. Nika did her doctoral research on this topic and it has changed her perspective of how to disciple others. Whether you disciple your own child, mentor another woman or teach the Bible, this conversation will provide a lot to think about and some practical ideas for implementing questions. Recommended resources Jesus is the Question: the 307 Questions Jesus Asked and the 3 He Answered by Martin Copenhaver What do you Seek? The Questions of Jesus as Challenge and Promise by Michael J. Buckley, SJ The Questions of Jesus: Challenging Ourselves to Discover Life's Great Answers by John Dear Re-Imagining Discipleship: A Theological Perspective BOW podcast with Nika Spaulding You can watch this episode on video. Timestamps: 00:32 This topic is for everyone! 02:19 How did you get interested in this topic? 03:39 Making disciples 06:28 What kinds of questions are we talking about? 12:00 Questions in Jesus' day 22:17 What did your research look like? 26:42 How can we learn to ask questions like Jesus? 38:50 Other resources TranscriptKay >> I'm Kay Daigle of Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. Welcome to this podcast recording. Our special guest today is Nika Spaulding. Nika >> Hey, friends. Kay >> Welcome again, Nika. Nika >> Thanks Kay. Kay >> Nika is a frequent guest on our podcast and our videos, and we're just always so happy when you're able to join us. I’m particularly excited about this conversation today because you're going to be talking about asking questions like Jesus. And that just sounds so interesting to me. And as I was thinking about it, I thought there are a lot of people who could probably benefit from this. I mean, the first people I thought of were like Bible teachers or people who write curriculum or people discipling other people. Or maybe even parents or counselors. I mean that the more I thought about it, the longer the list got. I just kept thinking of almost everybody. And in any kind of capacity there are times that they want to teach other people and maybe they need to use more questions. Nika >> Yeah, I think you're exactly right. I mean, I started out studying this as a way to help, like, church leaders. And then the more I started studying, the more I thought that this is helpful to me as an aunt and as a parent and as really anyone who wants to love others. Well, I think we have to grow in this skill. And so, yeah, I think the list is very long. But it might be everyone. It could be everyone. Kay >> I'm kind of thinking that it is. I just hadn't gotten that far in my mind. I think I would have eventually gotten there because I just kept adding in small group leaders and, you know, just all sorts of people. So I think that's good. Well, tell me just briefly how you got interested in this topic. Nika >> Yeah, I think it was almost by happenstance. So I'm finishing my doctoral program and of course, you have to write a thesis at the end of your time there. And in the beginning I thought I would do stuff on you know, rhetoric in the ancient world, how we understand Bible reading in the ancient world, I thought about like all these, like, really niche things that I was like super nerdy right up my alley. I wrote a bunch of papers on literacy in the ancient world, like, all these things. And then I realized, you know, wow, that's neat. And it's really fascinating. I more and more thought, I want to create something that can help the church. I wanted to create a tool that does exactly what we were just saying, a tool that can help others. And really the impetus for it was a young woman that I've been discipling for probably 15 years came to me and said, “Hey, how do I disciple others?” And, you know, I kind of looked at it like, “Well, what's, you know, what's the other person going through?
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    41 分