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  • are all white people racist? both/and in an era of either/or
    2026/10/28
    this one digs into the various layers of nuance behind this question using some personal storytelling about a time my biases got called out publicly. i also dig into ashley jardina’s white identity politics, eduardo bonilla silva’s color blind racism, and a 1970 dick cavett show clash between lester maddox and jim brown. sometimes the move is knowing which questions to stop asking out loud and start asking inside.

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    33 分
  • best person for the job, or easiest? rethinking merit, belonging and diversity
    2026/10/21
    “i just want the best person for the job.” it sounds fair. many of us have said some version of it. but what’s beneath the surface when we say it? the groups that feel most sure of themselves aren’t always the ones getting it right, and that leaves a question worth sitting with: what are we giving up when we go for the easy choice?

    further reading:
    Katherine Phillips, Gregory Northcraft, and Margaret Neale (2006), Surface Level Diversity and Decision Making in Groups: https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/academics-research/research/detail/2006/surface-level-diversity-and-decision-making-in-groups-when/?p=1

    Samuel Sommers (2006), On Racial Diversity and Group Decision Making: https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2006/04/diverse-jury

    Ashley Jardina, White Identity Politics: https://polisci.duke.edu/books/white-identity-politics-cambridge-studies-public-opinion-and-political-psychology http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/

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    17 分
  • why do coleman hughes and colorblindness sound so convincing to white people?
    2026/10/14
    what makes us want to believe a calm, polished articulate black man making the case for color blindness? it’s not about statistics. it’s what is says about us: the numbers we reach for, the programs running underneath, and a resentment many white people carry without ever naming it. what would it take to look there instead?.http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/coleman hughes, in his own wordsa case for color blindness (ted talk, 2023): https://www.ted.com/talks/coleman_hughes_a_case_for_color_blindnessblack american culture and the racial wealth gap (quillette, 2018): https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/the statisticsthe auto and jewelry categories shine with opportunity among black women (nielsen, 2017): https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2017/the-auto-and-jewelry-categories-shine-with-opportunity-among-black-women/correction: nielsen found black women 113 percent more likely to say they plan to buy a luxury car, not “slightly” more likely as i said. it’s still a purchase intent survey, not a measure of financial responsibility.are emily and greg more employable than lakisha and jamal? bertrand and mullainathan (2004): https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873what we get wrong about closing the racial wealth gap, samuel dubois cook center (2018): https://samuelduboiscookcenter.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/what-we-get-wrong.pdfconspicuous consumption and race, charles, hurst, and roussanov (quarterly journal of economics, 2009): https://www.nber.org/papers/w13392why messages persuadewalster, aronson, and abrahams, “on increasing the persuasiveness of a low prestige communicator,” journal of experimental social psychology (1966)amplificationa black voice in the echo chamber, rafia zakaria (popula, 2018): https://popula.com/2018/08/08/a-black-voice-in-the-echo-chamber/racial resentmentracial resentment in the political mind, darren w. davis and david c. wilson (2021): https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/R/bo124039550.htmlinterview with davis and wilson (new books network): https://newbooksnetwork.com/racial-resentment-in-the-political-minddivided by color, donald r. kinder and lynn m. sanders (1996): https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo3620441.htmlthe racial resentment scale, including the survey statements quoted in the episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_resentment_scalekeep goingmy grandmother’s hands, resmaa menakem: https://www.harvard.com/book/978194209447being white today: a roadmap for a positive antiracist life, shelly tochluk and christine saxman (in the episode i called it “white like me,” which is a different book): https://www.uuabookstore.org/Being-White-Today-P19697.aspxwhite people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. .have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com .follow the journey at whitepeopleblackmusic.com✶
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    51 分
  • "they just don't want anyone playing black music"
    2026/10/07
    "I'm going to play this music anyway, and I don't care what they think." that used to be my line. it felt like courage. it was actually privilege, the kind nobody was ever going to stop. this is about zooming out, seeing the water we swim in, and finding a kind of peace that doesn't need anyone's permission.

    whitening of african dance - part 1
    whitening of african dance - part 2

    http://whitepeopleblackmusic.com/

    white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation.
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    have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com
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    32 分
  • recommendation: white affirmative action (seeing white, part 13), scene on radio
    2026/09/30
    can a policy be race based even when race never appears on the page? this episode of scene on radio traces a long line of policies like that, from the headright system to the fha and the gi bill, each one built to benefit white families. if you've ever doubted race based policy, give this one a listen and notice what it stirs up.

    original show notes below:

    — from Scene on Radio

    When it comes to U.S. government programs and support earmarked for the benefit of particular racial groups, history is clear. White folks have received most of the goodies.

    By John Biewen, with Deena Hayes-Greene of the Racial Equity Institute and recurring series partner Chenjerai Kumanyika.

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    48 分
  • intro: white affirmative action (seeing white, part 13), scene on radio
    2026/09/30
    can a policy be race based even when race never appears on the page? this episode of scene on radio traces a long line of policies like that, from the headright system to the fha and the gi bill, each one built to benefit white families. if you've ever doubted race based policy, give this one a listen and notice what it stirs up.

    white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation.
    .
    have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com
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    4 分
  • recommendation: mixed: owning your multiracial story, embodied
    2026/09/23
    some part of you are can go invisible to almost everyone you meet. for most of my life i took that to mean that i didn't really fit in. this is the episode that turned me around on that. Sarah Lotus Garrett talks about owning your multiracial story in a way that cracked something open in me, and if you hold more than one identity, i think it might do the same for you. give it a listen right after mine. original show notes below:

    — from Embodied

    When Anita moved away to college, she experienced a big shift in her biracial identity. Turns out that the questions that emerged for her are ones that many mixed young adults still ponder today ...15 years later. She meets two college seniors and they talk through navigating everything from "Where do I belong?" to "How do I date?" Plus she hears wisdom from a life coach who helps mixed adults tell new stories about identity.
    Meet the guests:
    - Adiah Siler, a senior at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, explains how moving out of her small town to go to college allowed her opportunities to explore her Blackness and has influenced her journey as a mixed race person
    - Claire Gallagher, a senior at the University of Michigan, shares her own experiences growing up as a mixed race person and brings up some of the anxieties she's had about her identity, especially since attending a predominantly white college
    - Sarah Lotus Garrett, a certified life and goal fulfillment coach, emphasizes the confidence and healing that being a part of a mixed race community can bring
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    Please note: This episode originally aired July 14, 2023.
    Updates: Adiah Siler is currently working on her MFA at the University of Iowa in the Writers’ Workshop.
    Dig deeper:
    Sarah’s program for mixed adults
    Claire’s piece on the fetishization of mixed race identities
    Adiah’s piece on being a mixed teen

    white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation.
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    have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com
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    36 分
  • mixed, white-passing, and the privilege i didn't want to own
    2026/09/16
    let's say you, like me, hold multiple identities: is the white privilege conversation still relevant? for most of my life, i saw myself as Arab. even though i mostly got treated as white. my own liberation didn't happen until I finally took accountability for that. if you're mixed or white passing and you know that impulse to look away from privilege, this one is for you, habibi.

    white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation.
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    have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com
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    27 分