In our final episode with Pastor Destin, a wild-card night turns into a conversation about "wounding," the moments we come to believe a lie about who we are. Destin shares the surprisingly simple question that exposes where those lies come from: How old do you feel? He also explains why Jesus never speaks to us in "nots."

Bill brings the grace-vs-law challenge: why do Christians find it easier to live under rules than under grace? We land on community and communion, and why what's broken in community can only be healed in community. If you can't find a table, make one.

Referenced: Henri Nouwen, Rob Reimer, Philip Yancey, Acts 3, Luke 14, Matthew 25.

Did Christians make alcohol a sin?

Destined Wright joins Jared and Bill for a candid conversation about whiskey, cigars, Christian culture, and what the Bible actually says about drinking.

They talk about Jared getting publicly shamed over a root beer, why cigars can create space for deeper conversations, Jesus turning water into wine, Deuteronomy’s surprising reference to “wine and strong drink,” and the difference between celebration, connection, excess, and addiction.

This isn’t an argument that everyone should drink. It’s a conversation about Christian freedom, wisdom, and whether the church has sometimes created rules that Scripture itself never made.

What do you think: is drinking alcohol a sin?

For our first-ever guest episode, Jared and Bill sit down with longtime friend and pastor Destined “Dewbe” Wright.

Doobie shares the story of a church conflict that spiraled into accusations, broken friendships, denominational investigations, and a season that nearly drove him out of ministry.

But years later, he looks back on it differently.

This is a conversation about church hurt, betrayal, shame, forgiveness, leadership, and the difference between simply trying to be “better” and actually becoming healed.

What does it look like to trust God when you’re still in the middle of the storm?