S9 E3 — What is the good life? Is it a life marked by money and success and achievement? Or a life marked by love? Author and professor Kelly Kapic joins Amy Julia Becker to rethink our obsession with productivity and self-reliance. They explore:

• Why “independence” is not the ideal
• How love—not intelligence or achievement—defines our humanity
• How receiving our limits can lead to rest, belonging, and deeper joy

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00:00 Exploring Humanity's Limits and Gifts
04:30 The Distinction Between Limits and Brokenness
09:35 Redefining Human Value Beyond Achievement
12:16 The Role of Love in Defining Humanity
19:45 The Gift of Humble Dependence in Relationships
26:03 Recognizing and Cultivating Gifts
28:21 The Good Life: Beyond Material Success and Happiness
34:33 Embracing Limits within Work, Rest, and Love
39:16 Practices for Accepting Limits and Cultivating Love

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MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Books: You Were Never Meant to Do It All, You're Only Human, and Embodied Hope by Kelly Kapic
• Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver Burkeman
• When Helping Hurts by Steve Corbett and Brian Fikkert
• Becoming Whole by by Brian Fikkert and Kelly Kapic
• World Happiness Report
• I Corinthians 13

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ABOUT OUR GUEST:

Kelly M. Kapic (PhD, King's College, University of London) is professor of theological studies at Covenant College in Lookout Mountain, Georgia, where he has taught since 2001. He is a popular speaker and the award-winning author or editor of more than fifteen books, including the devotional You Were Never Meant to Do It All, The God Who Gives, and the Christianity Today Book Award winners You're Only Human and Embodied Hope: A Theological Meditation on Pain and Suffering. Kapic has been featured in Christianity Today and The Gospel Coalition and has worked on research teams funded by the John Templeton Foundation. He also contributes to the Journal of Spiritual Formation and Soul Care and various other journals. kellykapic.com

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