This week, Kate and Claire chat about the ways they’re perceived in the world, both in pregnancy and in new motherhood. In both cases, they’ve noticed women who acknowledge them with a knowing “welcome to the club” look — a look Joe will sadly never understand. Claire reflects on whether or not she wants people to think she’s a mom, or whether she prefers that it be a fun, shocking little surprise. Kate thinks about both wanting and not wanting to have people treat her differently as a visibly pregnant person.

CW: Body image, weight changes

Weekly Plugs:

Ice water

The Courage to be Disliked

Supportive sneakers

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Kate’s Instagram: @KateHerzlin

Claire’s Instagram: @ClaireTadokoro

Editing, recording, post production and dad insights by Joe Leonardo.

Music by Christopher Morucci.

In this week’s episode, Kate comes fresh off a breastfeeding class awash with a slew of lessons and/or propaganda to unpack. Claire shares her experience with switching to formula and the shaming attitudes she encountered along the way. Kate prepares for a feeding journey that embraces the grey areas, and Claire and Joe discuss their experiences with lactation consultants. Kate commits to exclusively pump if a certain breast pump wants to sponsor her — to find out which one, listen to the pod!

Weekly Plugs:

Claire on Lactation Consultants

Golden Kiwifruit

Owlet Dream Sock

Kate’s Instagram: @KateHerzlin

Claire’s Instagram: @ClaireTadokoro

Editing, recording, post production and dad insights by Joe Leonardo.

Music by Christopher Morucci.

Claire shamefully confesses to being apart from her baby for nearly two weeks and shares what it felt like to be baby-less for 12 days. The highs, the lows, the SEPARATION ANXIETY and, of course, the reunion. Kate talks about the physical reassurance of baby kicks as well as the acrobats she suspects her baby is doing en utero. She also reflects on how that intimate physical reassurance ends with pregnancy as she and Claire look ahead to other milestones where separation anxiety may come into play -- daycare, moving out, going to jail, etc.

Weekly Plugs:

Peacharines

Color-changing baby spoons

Coconut Water

Iced Water

Kate’s Instagram: @KateHerzlin

Claire’s Instagram: @ClaireTadokoro

Editing, recording, post production and dad insights by Joe Leonardo.

Music by Christopher Morucci.