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What should a real pastor look like?

In this episode, I sit down with my own pastor, Jared Verwiel of Tulsa Bible Church, to cut through the spiritual posturing and power games that infect far too many pulpits. We talk real ministry — not performance, not personality cults, and definitely not spiritual manipulation. Just biblical shepherding.

This conversation isn’t theory. It’s raw insight from someone in the trenches — and a reminder that not every church is a circus. Some pastors still preach the Word and carry the weight of souls with reverent fear.

🔹 Topics include:
– Spiritual abuse and church hurt
– The human side of pastoral ministry
– What shepherding really means
– Why non-denominational doesn’t mean unaccountable
– When church leadership goes toxic

📖 Key Scriptures:
1 Peter 5:2–3 – “Shepherd the flock of God that is among you… not domineering over those in your charge.”
John 10:11 – “I am the good shepherd…”

00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Sermon
00:31 Welcome to The Saved For Later Podcast
00:40 Finding a New Church
00:59 Interview with Pastor Jared Verwiel
06:13 Pastoral Ministry and Responsibilities
07:43 Non-Denominational Church Dynamics
12:35 Handling Church Conflicts
23:25 Sunday Sermon Preparation
35:55 Navigating Multiple Teaching Pastors
36:15 The Pastor's Testimony
37:41 Discovering Faith in College
41:49 Journey to Ministry
45:29 Seminary Experience and Education
50:00 The Importance of Church Community
57:12 Unity in the Church
01:07:52 The Call to Pastoral Ministry
01:13:02 Final Thoughts and Farewell

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