Why does it sometimes take life falling apart before we start actually living it?

We start with a quote about being human and end up talking about telling people we love them while they’re still here, why we can’t fix everyone’s problems, and accepting the versions of ourselves we’d rather keep hidden.

Derek shares the message he sent his grandad. Dawn talks about finally believing a friend actually wanted to be her friend. And we get onto the people who change our lives just by showing up — sometimes with nothing more complicated than “come for a walk with me”.

Which brings us to Charlie. We all need one.

There’s also a detour into Mormon cults that Derek really would rather we hadn’t taken.

Here is the quote from the start:

"WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE?" I WANT TO BE HUMAN.TO FEEL THE SUNRISE, FALL IN LOVE WITH SILENCE, AND NOTICE FLOWERS GROWING THROUGH CONCRETE.I DON'T WANT TO TRADE MY SOUL FOR SURVIVAL, MY DREAMS FOR SECURITY, OR MY PRESENT FOR A FUTURE I MAY BE TOO EXHAUSTED TO ENJOY.IN A WORLD THAT MEASURES WORTH BY PRODUCTIVITY, PERHAPS BEING HUMAN IS AN ACT OF REBELLION.I WANT A HEART THAT STILL FEELS, EYES THAT STILL LOOK UP, AND A SOUL THAT NEVER STOPS WONDERING.BECAUSE WHAT IS THE POINT OF CONQUERING THE WORLD IF I FORGET HOW TO EXPERIENCE IT?

Two friends. Two very different perspectives. No script and absolutely no guarantee we'll stay on topic.

Dawn's a trauma therapist. Derek isn't. We talk about psychology, life, relationships, the stuff we've got right, the stuff we've got spectacularly wrong — and whatever else comes up along the way.

Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we really don't.

Essentially, it's the conversation you'd overhear at the next table and find yourself listening to.

We started with a quote about regret. Somehow we ended up talking about fate, punk funerals, the different versions of us that exist in other people's heads, creativity, cavemen, men's mental health, Kanye West, Japanese pottery and whether sometimes you need to stop talking and just do something.

We don't agree on all of it. That's rather the point.

Dawn & Derek
Two friends. Two very different perspectives. No script and absolutely no guarantee we'll stay on topic.

Dawn's a trauma therapist. Derek isn't. We talk about psychology, life, relationships, the stuff we've got right, the stuff we've got spectacularly wrong — and whatever else comes up along the way.

Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we really don't.

Essentially, it's the conversation you'd overhear at the next table and find yourself listening to.

Please note that this episode contains a conversation about abuse and trauma. This conversations is not explicit and is focused more on hope and overcoming trauma, however if you are feeling vulnerable, it may not be the best thing to listen to.

In this personal podcast, Dawn is interviewed by her friend Derek about her journey to becoming a therapist. She talks about how she's used her past to make her a better therapist, about the struggles she faces in her day-to-day life, and the discoveries she's made when her struggles led her to reach out for help and go on anti-depressants for the first time.

This is not a sad story. It's a story about hope and possibility.

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Series 3 of the "We're All Screwed up (and that's OK)" podcast, is made up of conversations with Dawn Walton and her clients. Each of her clients is remarkable, with their own story of moving from surviving to thriving. Conversations are informal, so grab a coffee and have a listen.

About Dawn

Dawn Walton MSc.Psych, MNLP is a Trauma Therapist and founder of the Rapid Trauma Reset approach to clearing trauma.

She has written 4 books, the latest being "We're all screwed up (and that's OK)"

She sees clients online globally, and trains other therapists and organisations to become trauma informed.

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