Jason and Alexia Preston welcome Justin Riggs back for a difficult investigation into how abuse allegations have been handled within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its legal system. Using court records, deposition testimony, emails, and other documentation, Justin examines the experiences of Michelle Nielsen and Gina Johnson Pemberton, two women who independently reported allegations connected to Bluffdale, Utah. Their accounts raise serious questions about the role of Kirton McConkie, the LDS abuse hotline, church leadership, attorney-client privilege, and what happens when victims seek help from an institution whose lawyers are also responsible for protecting that institution.

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Jason Preston sits down with Dr. Juliette Engel, physician, humanitarian, author, and survivor to hear her extraordinary story of trauma, survival, healing, and her decades-long fight to protect vulnerable children. Dr. Engel shares her account of growing up in a family connected to U.S. intelligence and her claim that, beginning at six years old, she was subjected to the MKUltra/Project Monarch mind-control program. She describes childhood abuse, dissociation, programming, and the creation of the identity she would later call “Sparky.”

Juliette Engel MD

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CIA Admits to MKUltra:

First batch of National Security Archive MKUltra docs released Dec 23 2024

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/dnsa-intelligence/2024-12-23/cia-behavior-control-experiments-focus-new-scholarly

Second batch released Oct 30 2025

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/dnsa-intelligence/2025-10-30/top-secret-testimony-cias-mkultra-chief-50-years-later

2025 Trafficking in Persons Report

https://www.state.gov/reports/2025-trafficking-in-persons-report/#report-toc__section-1

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Jason Preston sits down with author and speaker Laura Worley for a personal conversation about trauma, faith, and recovery. Laura shares her own account of surviving abuse and her long journey toward healing. She discusses the work she now does as a trainer and coach supporting other survivors of complex trauma, and reflects on the role her faith has played throughout her story. This is a candid conversation about resilience, finding meaning after hardship, and choosing to speak openly about difficult experiences.

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Jason Preston sits down with survivor, advocate, and author Pam Bostwick. Blind and unbowed, Pam shares her journey through childhood abuse, the recovery of long-buried memories, and the decades of healing that followed. She speaks candidly about her faith, her writing, including her There Are No Secrets trilogy and The Power of Faith and her belief that surviving has given her a voice she's meant to use.

Pam Bostwick's Books Power of Faith https://a.co/d/08gFE8DG

There Are No Secret Part I: https://a.co/d/052CK7H6

Part II: https://a.co/d/032Ql7YS

Part II: https://a.co/d/0cStsy0O

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⚠️ IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER The claims and allegations discussed in this episode have not been independently verified or corroborated by We Are the People. We believe that allegations involving child abuse and institutional misconduct are matters of significant public concern and deserve thoughtful public discussion.

We encourage viewers to review all available information, consider the evidence presented, and reach their own conclusions. If you have information that may support, clarify, or contradict any of the claims discussed in this episode, we invite you to contact us. We also extend an open invitation to any individuals, organizations, or their authorized representatives who are discussed in this episode to appear on the program or submit a statement for inclusion in a future episode.

Our goal is to pursue the truth wherever it leads. We remain committed to providing a platform for survivors and witnesses to share their experiences while encouraging open dialogue, accountability, and the free exchange of information on matters of public interest. Thank you for your support.

Jason and Alexia Preston are joined by researcher Justin Riggs for an in-depth discussion examining the historical context behind allegations of ritual abuse in Utah. Justin presents a historical hypothesis, drawing from historical documents, church publications, university records, and public archives to explore whether secret societies, fraternities, and influential networks may have shaped institutions over generations. The conversation examines how these historical developments could relate to the challenges many survivors say they face when seeking justice today.

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Cathy O'Brien Full Testimony (1996) https://youtu.be/22iqz_OK0ek?si=DvhfEFNLdbjqdLsr

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Jason & Alexia Preston sit down with one of the most important voices in the fight for truth and survivor healing, Cathy O’Brien. Cathy is a recovered survivor of multi-generational child sex trafficking and the CIA’s MKUltra Project Monarch mind-control program. Used at the highest levels of the White House and Pentagon, she was trafficked by names you will recognize… and some you won’t.

⚠️ Viewer discretion strongly advised. This episode contains serious allegations of child trafficking, ritual abuse, and systemic corruption.

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Gary Valenzuela and his mother Terry reveal the full story of how their daughter/granddaughter Alessandra was allegedly taken from them by former Utah County Attorney David Leavitt and his wife. From bribery of tribal leaders, bypassing the Indian Child Welfare Act, destroyed Homeland Security whistleblowers, and attempts to subpoena the Mormon Church’s secret abuse hotline that got the entire investigation shut down. Featuring new insights from investigative journalist Derrick Broze. If you’ve been following the David Leavitt / Knock Dairy Castle story or the Hamblin victim statements, this interview with the actual family will change how you see everything.

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On this sacred anniversary of American independence, Jason Preston steps back to reflect on the 250-year legacy of the Constitution, the document that flipped the script on human history, making "we the people" the rulers instead of the ruled. In this solo episode, Jason breaks down sobering research on how most constitutions in history barely last two decades, and asks the hard question: what happens now that America stands at the same crossroads our founding fathers once faced?

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