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  • 618. David A. Fields, How AI is Impacting Consulting Hiring

    618. David A. Fields, How AI is Impacting Consulting Hiring
    2025/09/15

    Show Notes:

    David A. Fields talks about how AI is affecting consulting firms. David clarifies that his company’s active client base is 30-50 firms, and they are being asked more frequently to help firms with an AI strategy. In terms of size, 20% of their business is solo consultants, while the rest are mostly businesses that range from $2 million to $100 million.

    Consulting Firms and AI Adoption

    David explains that the average revenue per FTE in consulting has remained around $250,000 for the past decade.He notes that firms are looking to create the same revenue with fewer people, which is the big promise of AI. He mentions the wide range of AI adoption rates among firms, from those just starting with chatbots to those seeing significant productivity gains.

    He also highlights the impact of AI on hiring junior people, with firms debating whether to hire junior analysts or use AI for faster, cheaper work.

    How High-Adopter Firms Use AI

    The conversation turns to examples of high-adopter firms and the tools they use. David describes a Canadian client that has seen 60% productivity gains by replacing functions with AI, including analysis, presentations, and proposals. The client has taken a hard line on not hiring anyone if AI can replace the function, leading to significant productivity gains and faster client results. David explains that the client uses AI to create summaries of context discussions, and templates for presentations and proposals, which are then populated with data. Additionally, AI speeds turnaround time, and has reduced the need to hire more people to do analysis or when the number of clients increases.

    Challenges and Opportunities in AI Adoption

    David discusses the challenges of creating effective AI templates and the importance of good direction for AI tools. He mentions that firms are often building AI templates in-house with some direction from experts. He talks about the variety of AI tools available, including general-purpose tools like ChatGPT and specialized tools for specific tasks. David emphasizes the importance of staying flexible and not fully committing to any one tool by subscribing to an annual membership, as the landscape is constantly changing.

    Variation in AI Adoption by Functional Areas

    The discussion moves on to variations in AI adoption by functional areas like strategy, operations, marketing, etc. David explains that adoption rates are more driven by the founder's mindset and operational orientation rather than the specific function. He notes that some industries feel less pressure to adopt AI, while others recognize that AI delivers the analytical horsepower that is needed to stay relevant. There are varying levels of AI adoption across different firms.

    Predictions for AI in 2026

    David predicts that the next few months will be spiky, with specialists who can provide practical applications of AI faring better. He mentions that generalist recommendation givers may struggle more. It is recognized that clients often prefer consultants with specific industry experience, which can be a challenge for AI tools. He also mentions the limitations of AI research. When it comes to advice for junior consultants looking to enter the field, David suggests that domain expertise and knowledge that AI tools don't have are crucial for getting into consulting firms. He emphasizes the importance of being a top user of AI tools and for junior consultants to differentiate themselves by mastering AI tools and demonstrating their value to firms.

    Timestamps:

    02:40: Impact of AI on Hiring and Revenue in Consulting Firms

    05:59: Specific AI Tools and Practices in High-Adopter Firms

    11:12: Challenges and Opportunities in AI Adoption

    14:56: Variation in AI Adoption by Functional Areas

    19:26: Predictions for AI in 2026 and Beyond

    21:06: Advice for Junior Consultants

    Links:

    Website: DavidAFields.com.

    Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.
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    23 分
  • 617. Sri Kaza, Unconvention: A Small Business Strategy Guide

    617. Sri Kaza, Unconvention: A Small Business Strategy Guide
    2025/09/01
    Show Notes: Sri Kaza is a former McKinsey partner and the author of Unconvention, A Small Business Strategy Guide. Sri explains why he left McKinsey after nearly a decade of working with large corporations, to start working with small businesses. Around 12 years ago he decided to pursue entrepreneurship and independence. He worked for Tor Hagen at Viking Cruises, who was a former McKinsey partner, and Sri was impressed by Tor’s ability to allow his vision to take risks and drive decision-making. This inspired Sri to look more broadly at entrepreneurship. The Tax Credit Company After working with Hagen, Sri joined a new entrepreneurial venture, the Tax Credit Co., which focused on small businesses with less than 100 or 500 employees. His focus was operationalizing their work opportunity tax credit business, helping them access the government credits they simply were not aware of. Sri’s company spent a significant amount of time and money acquiring customers, focusing on providing value and helping them navigate the complex world of tax credits. Explaining The Work Opportunity Tax Credit Sri explains how The Work Opportunity Tax Credit, which allows small businesses to claim tax credits up to 2000 dollars for hiring individuals on government assistance or from unique districts with socio-economic issues. Sri talks about the scale of tax credit opportunities available as well as the potential for fraud and exploitation. To build a scalable back end, Sri drew from his McKinsey experience and suggests thinking about the business from the perspective of the small business owner and providing guidance on where the big problems are. Small Business Lending Sri shared examples from his most recent role as CEO of ForwardLine Financial, a small business lender about being informative and helping businesses research their problems. This approach helped both the small business clients and Sri’s company scale up well; but many of their clients’ business faced challenges during the COVID pandemic and a third of their customers did not survive the pandemic. Sri then developed a framework for building business cases and understanding the strategies of small firms, helping them apply funds and succeed. It was this experience that inspired the concept of his book. Agility and Speed of Decision-Making Incorporating agility and speed of decision making into a small business framework is crucial for success. Small business owners have the advantage of knowing their customers day-to-day and making decisions quickly. This is different from CEOs of big companies, who have to make decisions based on government restrictions. Sri explains that, during the post-COVID period, many businesses didn't wait to set up their standards for their in-store experience. They adjusted their offerings based on customer preferences, even in states with more freedom. For example, in Florida and Texas, businesses with a large number of operations struggled and saw higher revenue declines on average than some California cities. Business owners in these states didn't wait for the government to dictate their practices, but instead understood their customers' concerns and did their own research. This allowed them to make decisions quickly and reflect their customers' preferences, which helped them stay in better shape than chains that were waiting for national rules. The Importance of Purpose and Pride for Small Businesses Sri discusses the concept of purpose in small businesses, comparing it to the concept of Shokunin, or craftsmanship. Sri talks about his time in Japan and what he learned from small businesses there. He found that these businesses focused on their craft rather than profit or growth. He later realized that purpose allows individuals to choose their return on investment and pursue their passions. Individuals often leave consulting to pursue independence, not to make more money. They value the freedoms they gain from doing so. When making decisions, it's crucial not to compromise on their purpose, as it's powerful and doesn't have to follow the path of larger corporations. Pricing for Small Businesses Sri discusses the concept of raising prices for small businesses, which can be a challenge. He explains that there is more to understanding customer value than just price, and that small businesses should be conscious of the benefits they are sharing. He suggests that small businesses should not solely focus on profit but also on what they are trying to accomplish. He lays out pricing principles in his book to help small businesses understand how to calculate pricing and be conscious of the driving factors behind it that may not simply be profit. Plans for the Future Sri's personal plans for his book include becoming a coach or consultant to small businesses, launching a nonprofit foundation, and having an impact on 30 million entrepreneurs in the country. He believes that these entrepreneurs are challenged and need advice ...
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    29 分
  • 616. Sandor Marton, Chronos Insights, a Gen AI Tool for Market Assessments

    616. Sandor Marton, Chronos Insights, a Gen AI Tool for Market Assessments
    2025/08/18
    Show Notes: Sandor Marton, a McKinsey alum and co-founder of Chronos Insights introduces the AI research companion tool and explains its features. Sandor shares his background in growth strategy, commercial strategy, and due diligence work. He identifies the problems faced by small firms and independent practitioners who don’t have large teams in place to assign people to do the massive amount of necessary foundational research, which limits the size of projects they can take on. An Overview of Chronos Insights Sandor discusses partnering with Matt Jones and Dustin Chrysler to develop an AI-powered solution for market and competitive landscape research. He talks about the background of the team and the issues they initially tackled. The team aimed to create a specialized prompt leveraging ChatGPT's large language model while moving away from ChatGPT’s programming “to make people happy” and to deliver more accurate results. They developed their tool, Chronos, with a different approach. The tool uses neural search and keyword search to provide more accurate and sourced research solutions. Sandor talks about how they tested the agents. He found it saved 75% of research time using the platform and emphasizes the need for review and revision of AI-generated outputs. Chronos Research Capabilities The conversation turns to access to proprietary databases, and Sandor explains the current use of the alpha version sources publicly available information. He also talks about their engineering resources and can build a version that taps into proprietary, private, or licensed resources, and that the user can direct the agent to source from specific sources. Sandor refers to a large Fortune 100 company that has hired them to build an agent to work with their internal research team. Sandor discusses potential future features like an interview finder tool and a composite self-referencing insights feature. The discussion touches on the flexibility of the tool in handling different types of research problems. User Interface Explained Sandor explains the simple UI of the tool, which includes five landing pages: Project Overview, Research Statement of Work, Research Plan, Research Tab, and Research Summary. The tool creates a research plan based on the user's research statement of work, breaking it down into discrete task prompts. Sandor demonstrates how to use the tool by copying and pasting a Word document into the Research Statement of Work tab. The tool generates a detailed research plan, including market landscape, competitor landscape, and key trends and developments. Project Overview Research Plan Generation Sandor explains the process of generating a research plan, including organizing research tasks by major research categories and subsections. He shares an example of the various categories to be researched within the statement of work. The tool creates task prompts for each topic within the research statement of work. Users can edit tasks and change the language model used for research. Sandor highlights the efficiency of running multiple tasks concurrently using the platform and demonstrates how it works and the various categories of research that can be explored, analyzed, and summarized. How Chronos Summarizes Prompts Sections Identified and Tasks to Complete Subsections Explained Reviewing and Exporting Sandor demonstrates how to review and export the research outputs generated by the tool. The tool provides citations for each task, allowing users to verify the sources. Users can rerun tasks and edit them as needed. The tool offers a research summary feature, which condenses the research outputs into a concise format. Research Task Overview Market Landscape Research Use Cases and Future Developments Sandor talks about use cases and future developments. He explains that it can handle various research topics and how they have programmed the agent to eliminate errors. Sandor mentions a project which included researching sales cycles and client selection criteria. The tool has potential for developing primary research, valuation and diligence work, and incorporating proprietary or licensed material. Timestamps: 02:44: Development of the AI Research Companion 05:42: Current and Future Features of the Tool 08:55: Walkthrough of the AI Research Companion Tool 18:54: Detailed Explanation of the Research Plan 25:22: Running and Reviewing the Research Plan 33:20: Future Developments and Use Cases 37:20: Conclusion and Contact Information Links: Website: https://www.chronosinsights.com/ Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.
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    35 分
  • 615. Sid Masson, Co-Founder of Wokelo.ai, a Powerful Tool for Commercial Due Diligence

    615. Sid Masson, Co-Founder of Wokelo.ai, a Powerful Tool for Commercial Due Diligence
    2025/08/11

    Show Notes:

    Sid Masson, co-founder and CEO of Wokelo.ai explains that Wokelo is an agentic platform for investment research and commercial due diligence, automating market research and desk research activities performed by consulting firms, investment banks, private equity analysts and so on. It offers private market research and allows the user to pass through hundreds and 1000s of data sets in a matter of minutes, but beyond just research, it automates end-to-end deliverables, all the way to a well formatted PowerPoint deck in a format of your choice.

    How Wokelo.ai Works

    Sid mentions that Wokelo has been in production for two and a half years and commercially launched in November 2023. The platform has 40+ paying customers, including big four consulting firms like KPMG, investment banks, and venture capital firms. Pricing starts at $30,000 annually for five seats and proportionate usage. Sid explains that larger enterprises use bespoke models which cost more and cases where certain boutique consulting firms who may not have may not need five or 10 seats and are offered customized pricing.

    Wokelo also ensures various security levels, including SOC 2 compliant cloud, private cloud instances, and on-prem deployments.

    A Demonstration of Wokelo

    Sid explains Wokelo's web application, which offers several workflows for different tasks. The platform includes standardized workflows like company research, industry research, and market maps, as well as custom workflows designed by users. He demonstrates the process of creating a live report for a company, including adding company attributes, uploading files, and generating insights. The platform generates a detailed, editable notebook with insights, sources, and charts, which can be exported in various formats. Sid lists the data sources Wokelo uses, including third-party data partnerships, public data scraping, and user-uploaded data. The platform has partnerships with CrunchBase, PitchBook, SNP Cap IQ, and IEP Query for patent data. Wokelo's proprietary private company database includes detailed information beyond firmographics, such as product catalogs and management profiles.

    Wokelo’s Custom Workflow Feature

    Sid explains the custom workflow feature, which allows users to design their own bespoke workflows to mimic their existing methodologies. Custom workflows can include custom analysis, synergy potential mapping, and IC memos, tailored to specific user needs. The platform's user interface is designed to be easy to use, with guardrails and standardized constraints to ensure high-quality outputs. Wokelo's editable notebooks and charts are designed to be user-friendly and customizable, allowing for detailed and professional reports.

    The Wokelo Team

    Sid shares the background of the Wokelo team, including his and his co-founder's experience in management consulting and AI. The team has grown from 10 to 25 members in the last 12 months, with a focus on building a solid product and team. Wokelo has raised two rounds of funding: a pre-seed round in 2023 and a seed round in September 2022, totaling $5.5 million. The funding has helped the team build a solid product and team, focusing on quality and value rather than excessive funding. Sid discusses the challenges of selling to large firms and the initial skepticism they face. Wokelo plans to continue iterating and improving the platform, focusing on user experience and domain expertise. The team aims to expand their customer base and offer more customized solutions to meet the evolving needs of their clients.

    Timestamps:

    00:02: Overview of Wokelo and its purpose

    02:47: Customer base and pricing

    05:51: Demonstration of Wokelo's features

    08:50: Data sources and security

    19:24: Custom workflows and user interface

    27:04: Team background and funding

    35:46: Challenges and future plans

    Links:

    https://www.wokelo.ai/

    Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.
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    37 分
  • 614. Dina David, Umbrex and Veritux Mastermind Groups

    614. Dina David, Umbrex and Veritux Mastermind Groups
    2025/08/07
    Show Notes: Will Bachman and Dina David, the facilitator for the Umbrex and Veritux Mastermind groups, discuss the program's basics. Mastermind groups are peer-structured programs for middle-seven to nine people, ideally eight, over a 10-month period. The program kicks off in September and wraps up in June, 2026. Applications are due August 15, and for those not yet members, independent consultants should join the community to access the opportunity. The Details on Mastermind Groups Dina explains that meetings take place monthly and are one hour sessions. The sessions take place online.They typically start with an introduction, a quick update on goals, and a check-in on progress. The majority of the session is dedicated to a deep dive into a specified topic, sharing practical ideas, best practices, and lessons learned. The session ends with a closing check-out, focusing on what was learned and what the group plans to do in the next month based on the conversations that have taken place. Dina also discusses the different formats of the groups, such as breakout groups, warm seats, guest speakers, and show and tells. Business Development and Online Presence Dina shares an example of how the program works and helped improve LinkedIn profiles. She also discusses the importance of deep dives into a website. The discussion revolves around firm overview documents, business development, and pricing strategies. It highlights the importance of having clear deliverables and testimonies to ensure that clients can remember their work. Business development is another key topic discussed, with examples of specific topics such as the fishing line, which helps consultants understand who they serve and what problems they solve. The group also discusses strategies for implementing comprehensive business development processes, such as using CRM systems like HubSpot. How to Improve Marketing Strategies Dina also touches on strategies for marketing, such as warm and cold outreach, and how to get people to respond to LinkedIn messages or emails. The group emphasizes that there is no one-size-fits-all solution, but learning from others' strategies can help consultants stay ahead in today's busy world. Sharing templates and examples has been helpful in addressing the overwhelming amount of information available online. Approaches to Pricing Price is another important topic discussed, with many groups discussing tier-based pricing approaches, such as Bronze, Silver, and Gold options, and how to word offerings. This approach brings consultants closer to the value brace and helps them learn best practices from each other. Strategies include pricing when working with startups or maintaining a retainer. Handling Client Negotiations However, the discussion also touches on handling client negotiations and managing scroll scope creep. Many consultants face challenges in handling changes at the leadership level, dealing with organizational changes, and managing relationships with clients. Internal operations, such as insurance and invoicing, are also discussed, with examples of how consultants can benefit from external support. Scaling Up for Independent Firms The discussion revolves around the journey of scaling up for independent firms, which can be challenging but rewarding. It is essential to build networks and connections, as well as understand when to hire and manage subcontractors. The group debrief helps in making informed decisions about hiring and managing subcontractors. The Benefits of Joining a Mastermind Group Dina the benefits of joining these groups which include new projects, client referrals, networking opportunities, and accountability. Members gain access to peer-based resources, which can help them hold themselves accountable and stay motivated. Members state that they have built genuine relationships, which can be invaluable for their businesses. In between monthly sessions, members receive a recording, summary recap, and additional resources. They are assigned an accountability buddy from their group, who they check in with within the month of the next live session. This allows them to discuss ideas, support each other, and work towards their goals. Applications for the 2025 to 2026 cohort are due on August 15. If you are a member of Umbrex or Veritux, you will receive emails about the program and links to fill out the application. Timestamps: 00:02 Introduction and Overview of Mastermind Groups 01:23: Monthly Meeting Agenda 02:54: Specific Topics and Examples 09:00: Business Development and Pricing Strategies 11:05: Internal Operations and Scaling Up 13:31: Benefits and Accountability 15:02: Between-Session Activities Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.
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    17 分
  • 613. Brian Stollery, AlphaSense's AI Market Intel for Consulting

    613. Brian Stollery, AlphaSense's AI Market Intel for Consulting
    2025/07/07
    Show Notes: Brian Stollery talks about AlphaSense, an information provider that independent consultants and boutique firms are using to gain an edge over those who rely on chat GPT or consumer LLM tools. AlphaSense is built for this kind of work, pulling in verified content such as industry reports, broker research filings, earnings calls, expert calls, news, and internal research and internal content. It layers this with market-leading AI functionality that can read and synthesize all of it to deliver consulting-grade insights at scale. AlphaSense Explained Brian clarifies that AlphaSense is not primarily an expert network like AlphaSights, but rather a market company and enterprise intelligence search engine for the AI generation. It offers the depth and breadth of authoritative data that would be obtained from a legacy research platform with the intuitive user experience of modern AI tools. The value of AlphaSense lies in the deep, authoritative content set that is the foundation of AlphaSense, along with the speed and accuracy of the AI that allows users to quickly surface relevant insights. Brian also talks about the major categories of sources of proprietary information that feed into AlphaSense. The AlphaSense Platform The AlphaSense platform features an index where users can go to different things, such as portfolio monitors, research topics, expert insights, news, risk signals on consumer tech growth investment strategy, events, company documents, and talent job executive movements. The dashboard includes eight or nine widgets that provide a list of seven or eight articles on various topics. These articles are sourced from various sources, such as news articles or interviews with experts. The platform also has over 200,000 pre-recorded, transcribed expert calls, which are added to the library for analysis by the AI. How AlphaSense Gathers Information The interviewers are usually conducted by-side analysts, corporate users, and experts in respective fields. They work with corporate development teams and head of corporate strategy to conduct these interviews. The platform believes that a rising tide lifts all boats, and every expert call that happens throughout the AlphaSense is published back in the platform to further enhance and grow its library of expert calls from subject matter experts who are currently active in their industry. AlphaSense Use Cases In management consulting, AlphaSense may not be suitable for calls that would be better suited to AlphaSights where the information is sensitive or should have restricted access. However, the use case for AlphaSense is to get up to speed on an engagement and quickly search across benchmark expert perspectives. This allows them to bolster their expertise within the management consulting space. AlphaSense is an institutional grade content engine that consolidates information from various sources, including expert calls, news, research reports, broker research, and more. It offers over 6000 vetted business and market news sources and trade journals, most of which require paywalls. AlphaSense allows users to bypass these paywalls and provides real-time insights from over 700 partners. The AlphaSense Dashboard The dashboard includes relevant documents related to executive movements, risk signals, growth, and investment strategies. Users can explore the dashboard by searching for trigger words related to their watchlist of consumer tech companies. The AI can then pull relevant documents, such as expert insights, event transcripts, press releases, and news, to provide valuable insights for business development or due diligence. The Executive Search Function The document search module within AlphaSense allows users to get forensic insights from relevant documents, such as executive search, talent, and hiring practices. The AI can also generate summary responses, which are useful for top-tier consulting use cases. However, the AI may sometimes make a guess or hallucination if an answer is not available. This is why the Big Three and Big Four rely on AlphaSense for their consulting use cases. The AlphaSense Research Tool The AlphaSense generative search tool is a research analyst team in a box. The tool is designed to answer macro business questions, such as market size or pricing trends. Brian checks McKinsey, Bain and BCG's performance in 2025, including their revenue, talent, hiring, and growth areas. The AI agent breaks down these questions into subquestions and finds 3000 documents across the content library. It then extracts documents from expert calls, press releases, investor relations presentations, research reports, and sustainability reports. The AI outputs a summary of the documents. The tool is particularly useful for understanding the performance of consulting firms like McKinsey Bain and BCG. Quality Sources and Quantitative Data AlphaSense provides bullet points on McKinsey, revenue, growth, talent, and hiring, with links ...
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    52 分
  • 612. Wes Wheless, Intellectual Headshots for Solo Consultants

    612. Wes Wheless, Intellectual Headshots for Solo Consultants
    2025/06/30
    Wes Wheless helps solo consultants bottle their secret sauce. To do so, Wes offers two services: The NicheFinder Sprint and The IP Builder Sprint. He believes that consultants need to identify a niche or specialization and a unique approach to serving that niche, typically codified into intellectual property (IP). Each sprint is delivered one-on-one over 1-2 weeks. Niche Finder Explained NicheFinder is designed for early-stage solo consultants who are struggling to narrow down their niche. It involves working one-on-one to identify their zone of genius and then lay out potential ICPs. The client and the consultant come up with three specific ICPs, which are then run through a custom GPT that runs a detailed viability analysis on each lane. The GPT also derives three additional ICPs based on context and evaluates their viability as well. With an identified niche, the consultant can now decisively focus on building a market position around that specific problem and buyer. Examples of Niche Consulting Wes shares an example of a client whose determined niche is fractional CMO for B2C subscription companies that have hit a growth plateau and have not invested in brand marketing. Another example is a client who went solo from a boutique consulting firm that specializes in change management. Her genius zone was being the translation layer between strategic vision and operational teams. She had a keen understanding of internal issues and also helped new executives acclimate to their roles. The GPT analysis suggested that she should focus on innovation teams running pilots but not getting traction due to organizational resistance. Wes explains that the GPT analysis includes 12 viability factors, including access, lifetime value, competitive alternatives, and target revenue numbers. These factors help narrow down options and identify red flags, ultimately leading to a more viable solution. Sourcing Consulting Opportunities Before Niching Down The discussion explores the approach of starting with potential buyers from your existing network, rather than relying on staffing firms or referrals. Will suggests starting with decision makers or influencers. This approach can help you identify your potential universe of buyers and determine what services they are willing to pay for. Wes adds that this approach can help you learn about selling yourself and what people are interested in. However, Wes points out that it can also lead to triangulating into a specialty that might not be interesting or appropriate for you. If you continue to work for anyone who will hire you at the moment, you may end up working in areas where you don't have much business taking on that kind of work. Identifying and Validating a Consulting Niche Wes discusses the process of developing a niche through the NicheFinder sprint. He emphasizes the importance of having a strong understanding of the client's pain points and interests before proceeding with the niche finder. Wes suggests that the process should be followed by market validation conversations, where potential clients can share their ideas and validate their interest in the service. This process should take around three to five conversations. Wes suggests changing the LinkedIn headline and content to be specific to the identified problem. He also suggests codifying relevant IP and developing visual assets that can be shared. The IP Builder Sprint and Intellectual Headshots Wes suggests that consultants should have served at least two or three clients within their niche before starting the IP Builder sprint. Wes suggests that consultants should display their expertise prominently through visual assets, which Wes calls intellectual headshots. These are instantly digestible visual articulations of your expertise that can prompt and streamline conversations. They can be distributed at scale and can look like typical consulting frameworks. Some clients have created headshots that look like comic strips or memes, which can open up dialogue and help clients see their problem or pain point. In conclusion, The IP Builder Sprint is a valuable investment for consultants to showcase their expertise and engage clients. By creating intellectual headshots, consultants can instantly telegraph their unique expertise, ultimately leading to elevated sales conversations and more client conversions. Examples of Client Intellectual Headshots Wes shares examples of client intellectual headshots. The first quickly communicates the five service models and personas in the consulting industry. The framework is designed to help consultants understand their roles and potential career paths. Another example is a line chart showing the client mix over time, with a warm network starting at zero and gradually increasing. Word of mouth referrals also increase over time, but the social plateau indicates that word of mouth referrals will eventually hit an asymptote. Wes then presents a client example,, a ...
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  • 611. Ilya Druzhnikov and Alex Lugosch, Using Cold Calls to Find Product-Market Fit

    611. Ilya Druzhnikov and Alex Lugosch, Using Cold Calls to Find Product-Market Fit
    2025/06/02
    Show Notes: Alex Lugosch and Ilya Druzhnikov, founders of True PMF, explain that True PMF is a rapid prototyping and discovery service for startups and established companies who are releasing a new product or testing a new market and don’t have the tools or six to eight months to try new experiments for product market fit. The firm uses cold calling tools to test out different ideas and pitches to potential clients, focusing on understanding the reactions of potential buyers. Ilya explains how their tool saves time and money by improving the cold call process. First Steps in a Cold Call Strategy Alex and Ilya work with a founder to identify their target audience and use tools like ZoomInfo to gather a list of people that fit that profile. They then use cold calling tool to test out different ideas and iterate different pitches to potential clients. They also train the founder to do cold calls, helping them understand the process and find what resonates with potential buyers. The firm often stacks rank lists of 20 audiences to test in the next 20 days, with each experiment taking about two sessions of an hour each. At a certain point, they do turnover, where the founder takes over to learn how to do the process. They use several list building services, data validation services, and dialers to build tight lists, accessing many people at the C-suite that most founders can only dream of contacting. Within one or two calls, they find that those people are picking up on their pitches and talking to them, which is a significant improvement from the traditional six-month process of trying to determine if something is a product market fit. The Cold Call Conversation and Analysis Ilya explains the process, beginning from when they contact the founder, building the initial list, finding direct phone numbers for 80-100 people, and loading them into their enterprise-grade tech stack that few startups can afford. He goes on to explain how they start the conversation. They try to make the pitch relevant to the founder and explain that their solution could save time and money while having a positive impact on the bottom line. After the call, the transcript goes directly into the AI model, which produces an analysis of the conversation and offers recommendations on how to proceed. The next step is to determine the outcome of the call. In a typical calling session, there are sometimes upwards of 14 or 15 connects. As the conversation gets closer to the target, the conversations become more rich, with more follow-up emails, scheduled demos, and referrals. It's an iterative process until discovering the audience is interested in the topic and/or the call can be referred to the right person. Cold Calling Techniques The conversation turns to the importance of effective cold pitching techniques. They mention the importance of recognizing what’s currently relevant to the client. They also discuss the concept of partnering one person to take a pitch and then alternate to the other person without giving feedback. The key to getting better at cold pitching is focusing on the elements that work in the previous pitch. This technique can be applied to other situations as well, such as listening to each other's tone of voice and understanding their preferences. Alex emphasizes that these techniques are not meant to scale sales but to provide relevant information about messaging and product features that can be used in outbound campaigns that are scalable, such as emails, LinkedIn messages, or conferences. Ilya and Alex give an impromptu example of an opening conversation with mid-market private equity owned portfolio companies. Ilya explains that their informs more effective marketing strategies. This approach helps clients narrow down their ideas about the persona, develop stronger content that connects with their target market(s), and ensures that their marketing efforts are highly effective. Cost of SDRs Cold Calling The discussion revolves around the cost of cold calling sales development representatives (SDRs) and their effectiveness in B2B product spaces. Emphasis is placed on understanding the messaging and the potential for managing costs. They mention a company with 400 clients across Europe that raised over $50 million and had six SDRs, but none of them were effective. They also mention that a multinational tech startup with a large B2B sales team cannot afford six CROs to run their sales team. They advise against giving cold calls to unskilled SDRs, as they may not be adaptable enough to handle complex situations. However, cold calling is a good prototyping tool, as it allows companies to reach a wider audience, gain insights and understanding of their market, and potentially increase their revenue. Examples of How TruePMF Serves Clients Alex and Ilya initially focused on high-growth e-commerce brands, but later discovered that they needed to target established e-commerce brands looking for margin expansion. ...
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    43 分