Today Jon and Kory explore the surprising link between leadership and exercise. From CEOs and founders to top marketers, many high performers share one habit in common: they make time to move.

The duo discuss why working out often feels selfish (when it shouldn't), how to maintain healthy habits while travelling, and what companies can do to encourage their teams to prioritise wellbeing. Jon also breaks down his philosophy of running, explaining how different stages of a workout mirror the rhythms of work and life.

This is a conversation about energy, discipline, and why taking care of yourself might be one of the most important leadership skills of all.

Timestamps

00:00 - Start
00:47 - The common thread for successful people
02:37 - Feeling guilty for working out
03:40 - How to workout while on the road
05:08 - How employees can encourage their employees to workout
09:31 - Mile 1: The hard part
11:37 - Mile 2: Rhythm
12:59 - Mile 3: Harmony
14:35 - Mile 4: Acceleration
17:36 - Mile 5: Let it rip
18:30 - How important is music to working out
19:55 - Becoming at one with the run
20:40 - Break things down into parts
23:06 - The two mountains

Timestamps

00:00 - Start
01:19 - Kory’s 4 part framework for a good keynote speech
02:20 - Audience before content
07:16 - Don’t provide information, tell a story
16:20 - The art of good keynote content
20:50 - Obsess over delivery
24:58 - Jon’s poem on public speaking

Jon and Kory reflect on the very first Uncensored CMO: The Calling event. This episode recorded just days after it happened, with Kory joining as one of the keynote speakers.

The conversation explores the biggest lessons from the event, including why marketers need to embrace “pattern disruption,” the underrated power of curation, and what lobsters can teach us about growth and reinvention. Jon and Kory also discuss the uncertainty and vulnerability that comes with live events, why polish is often overrated, and why genuine engagement matters far more than reach alone.

Timestamps

00:00 - Start
02:24 - How Jon pulled off The Calling in 3 months
03:10 - The uncertainty of a live event
05:55 - Kory’s 3 biggest insights from The Calling
06:44 - Lesson 1: Learn like a lobster
12:29 - Lesson 2: Pattern disruption
17:03 - Lesson 3: Curation
20:41 - The lesson from Jon’s daughter
22:24 - The power of vulnerability vs polish
22:53 - Why Jon gave free tickets to unemployed people
25:40 - Reach vs engagement
29:03 - Jon’s big takeaway from the event