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0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist (0:21) and specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant (0:28) hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.So let's get on with the episode. (0:38) Hi, welcome again. And today we're going to talk to Cheryl Ellman, who some of you may (0:44) remember from before when Marta was recording us, but Cheryl has been a hypnotist for some time.(0:51) And this time she's going to talk about another favourite subject that she likes. (0:55) Okay, take it away, Cheryl. (0:59) Hi, everybody.It's such a pleasure to be with the two of you here. (1:07) Lots been going on in the last year or two. But I wanted to say that back in 2011, (1:14) I was at Shelley Stockwell Nicholas's conference in California, and I met a woman named Joan (1:22) Goulding.And Joan, we got to talking and she had been married to her husband. He had passed away (1:30) and they had a school in Victoria, Australia. And they taught hypnosis.Interestingly enough, (1:40) it was illegal to do hypnosis in Victoria. But what they did was they could teach it, (1:47) but you couldn't hypnotize anybody. So the interesting thing of what they did is they (1:51) went through the coursework.It was like, I think, a two-year course. And then they took (1:56) a bus to another province, another state, and went into like a couple of weeks of really like (2:05) hypnotizing each other and going through all the practice stuff and came back and they graduated. (2:14) So she fought for years to get it legalized in Victoria.So she had a daughter. (2:25) Do you happen to know why it wasn't when it was allowed in the rest of Australia? (2:34) Yeah. No, but there are states in the United States that Israel, you have to be a certain (2:45) doctor to take a certain course to do hypnosis.So there's different things in different countries. (2:52) And also the whole country, Israel requires you to be a physician. (2:58) Yeah.Yeah. (2:59) Anyway, let's get back to Australia. So what did she do? (3:04) So Joan had a daughter and she and her husband, her first husband, had moved.They were, (3:15) what do you call them? Poms? They had moved from England. 10 pound pom, I think it was. (3:20) 10 pound pom, yeah.(3:22) Right. And they moved to Australia. And so she had one daughter and she always felt like (3:32) she was a little clumsy.She wasn't really speaking. And then she had another daughter, (3:38) almost like Irish twins. They were pretty close in age.And what she started to notice is Teresa (3:45) was doing all of the, she was following, instead of following her older sister Michelle, (3:52) Michelle was always following and imitating what Teresa was doing. (3:57) So she and her husband had separated. And meanwhile, Joan had gone to speak to psychologists, (4:09) to schools.She had them in different schools. And Michelle, she'd come in and she saw Michelle (4:17) in this corner. And she really didn't have language.And so all this was going on. And (4:24) then one time her ex-husband had come to take the girls for the weekend and never returned them. (4:33) And she was looking for them.And so he had basically kidnapped them. And so it was nine (4:42) months later, he returned Michelle,

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Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more (0:14) about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:24) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:38) Wow. (0:39) Hello.(0:39) Hello. (0:41) How quick have we got to this already? (0:45) I know. (0:46) This year has gone so fast.(0:50) It's a third of the way through. (0:52) We're in the middle of April. (0:53) It's ridiculous.(0:53) Anyway, so what are we going to talk about today? (0:58) I don't know. (0:59) What would you like to talk about? (1:00) I'll tell you what I've just done this morning. (1:03) I have just held a class for EFT for tapping.(1:08) I've held a workshop for children about tapping, which is really, really good for them. (1:19) I don't think we've talked about it. (1:20) I don't think I've talked with Martin about that ever.(1:23) Although we've alluded to it probably. (1:26) We were trained in it in hypno school too. (1:28) There's so much stuff that's hypnosis adjacent.(1:33) I trained in it not long after I'd qualified. (1:37) I decided to train in it because I was just gathering everything together. (1:42) And I never used it.(1:43) It was something that I thought, well, I've got. (1:46) I didn't really use it. (1:47) But now I've started using it a lot with children, with adults as well.(1:52) I saw a young gentleman just before I came on here. (1:56) And he's using it to help him just, you know, sort of calm any anxieties down. (2:05) But the kids are really enjoying it.(2:07) And it's also very, it's very easy for people to do. (2:11) And for children, you want something to be very easy for them to do. (2:16) Yeah, so for those listeners who don't know what EFT is, (2:20) it stands for emotional freedom technique.(2:23) And we can use it to help us to tap out, literally tap out any blockages. (2:31) It's also called tapping. (2:33) So if you Google emotional freedom technique or tapping, (2:37) then you will see exactly what it is.(2:40) And the reason why I use it for children is it's very, very good (2:44) for helping them to sort of manage their emotions more effectively, (2:51) rather than just to think about it. (2:53) They're actually using a subjective support really, aren't they? (2:58) And it gives them something to do when they have those feelings come up (3:02) instead of tearing things or breaking things. (3:06) Yeah, so they say that by tapping, (3:09) by just tapping at certain points on your face, on your hand, (3:14) what it does is it opens up those blockages.(3:18) So I've explained it to the children today. (3:22) Not as that, because I don't think children would understand that. (3:25) So I've used it as a little exercise that they can do (3:30) to help them to understand where they are with their emotions.(3:34) Do you want to just like re-present to us, the audience now? (3:41) It'll be easier for people who are seeing the visual instead of my podcast, (3:45) which is only audio. (3:46) But if you could say where our hands are at the time. (3:49) Yeah, so I teach the child, (3:52) I know there's quite a lot of points on your hands and you can use your side.(3:57) So what I do is I condensed it down to eight points for the children. (4:02) So they start off with the karate chop and

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Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and (0:22) specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor (0:26) and consultant hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. Good afternoon, good evening, or good morning, (0:44) wherever you are in the world today. We have a lovely special guest on today with Denise and I, (0:50) Two Hypnotherapists Talking.And we have the delightful Wendy White, who's joined us today. (0:56) Hello, Wendy. (0:57) Hello, I'm Les.(0:59) Hello. (0:59) Hi, Denise. (1:00) Hi.And you're freshly back from vacation, so you're all ready for this, right? (1:06) It was hot and sunny, so I was very lucky because back in the UK, you had the most awful weather, (1:14) so I was delighted. And actually, now I'm back, the weather hasn't been too bad. I just don't (1:20) think they know I'm back yet, because usually I am known as the rain woman.(1:25) Well, it's raining up here in St. Helens, and we've had very, very high winds the last, (1:32) say, two to three days. (1:33) And we, having had a 75 degree temperature in last week, are now expecting some snow. (1:41) Isn't that lovely? (1:42) More snow.More snow. (1:45) Yeah. Get three English people together and they talk about the weather.(1:48) Okay, Wendy. I haven't met you before today. Hello.Could you briefly explain to our audience (1:56) what you actually do? You're not a hypnotist, right? (2:00) It's so lovely to meet you too, Denise. Yes, now I am a retired childminder from (2:07) Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire in the UK. And I was a childminder for 22 years.(2:17) And in that time, we were governed by Ofsted, and we had to follow the Early Years Foundation stage. (2:28) So this is pretty new to us, because I registered as a childminder in 2000. (2:35) And then in 2014, I think it was, the Early Years Foundation stage came in, (2:42) and we childminders became, well, teachers that had to implement areas of learning.(2:51) Not just implement them, but evidence them as well for when Ofsted came to call. (2:56) What was the age that you were dealing with? (3:00) I looked after children from one year to nine, but the nine-year-olds tended to be after-school kids. (3:10) Well, the nine-year-olds, I'm okay with you deciding how much they should have learned in (3:14) X amount of time, but a one-year-old? Yes, a one-year-old.(3:20) Can I stand up by myself is the question. It doesn't matter how old they are, (3:25) you still have to evidence and implement their learning and their growth and their development. (3:34) Everything had to be observed and then noted, and I had a file for each of the children (3:42) with their steps, their progress, first words.Nowadays, it's all computerized, (3:50) and in the States, I think they call it Huckleberry. (3:53) Wouldn't surprise me. My kids are way older than that.(3:57) I can't remember now what the software application is, but generally now, (4:05) childminders use software applications to relay and recount everything that they've (4:11) learned from the children, all their observations. But in the old days, (4:16) everything had to be written down. It t