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Denise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com office@aahypnosis.com

Les Roberts www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk contact@lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk

Cheryl Elman www.elmanhypnosis.com cheryl@elmanhypnosis.com

0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, here in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating (0:14) world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.I'm a clinical hypnotherapist (0:21) and specialist in working with children. And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant (0:28) hypnotist. We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.So let's get on with the episode. (0:38) Hi, welcome again. And today we're going to talk to Cheryl Ellman, who some of you may (0:44) remember from before when Marta was recording us, but Cheryl has been a hypnotist for some time.(0:51) And this time she's going to talk about another favourite subject that she likes. (0:55) Okay, take it away, Cheryl. (0:59) Hi, everybody.It's such a pleasure to be with the two of you here. (1:07) Lots been going on in the last year or two. But I wanted to say that back in 2011, (1:14) I was at Shelley Stockwell Nicholas's conference in California, and I met a woman named Joan (1:22) Goulding.And Joan, we got to talking and she had been married to her husband. He had passed away (1:30) and they had a school in Victoria, Australia. And they taught hypnosis.Interestingly enough, (1:40) it was illegal to do hypnosis in Victoria. But what they did was they could teach it, (1:47) but you couldn't hypnotize anybody. So the interesting thing of what they did is they (1:51) went through the coursework.It was like, I think, a two-year course. And then they took (1:56) a bus to another province, another state, and went into like a couple of weeks of really like (2:05) hypnotizing each other and going through all the practice stuff and came back and they graduated. (2:14) So she fought for years to get it legalized in Victoria.So she had a daughter. (2:25) Do you happen to know why it wasn't when it was allowed in the rest of Australia? (2:34) Yeah. No, but there are states in the United States that Israel, you have to be a certain (2:45) doctor to take a certain course to do hypnosis.So there's different things in different countries. (2:52) And also the whole country, Israel requires you to be a physician. (2:58) Yeah.Yeah. (2:59) Anyway, let's get back to Australia. So what did she do? (3:04) So Joan had a daughter and she and her husband, her first husband, had moved.They were, (3:15) what do you call them? Poms? They had moved from England. 10 pound pom, I think it was. (3:20) 10 pound pom, yeah.(3:22) Right. And they moved to Australia. And so she had one daughter and she always felt like (3:32) she was a little clumsy.She wasn't really speaking. And then she had another daughter, (3:38) almost like Irish twins. They were pretty close in age.And what she started to notice is Teresa (3:45) was doing all of the, she was following, instead of following her older sister Michelle, (3:52) Michelle was always following and imitating what Teresa was doing. (3:57) So she and her husband had separated. And meanwhile, Joan had gone to speak to psychologists, (4:09) to schools.She had them in different schools. And Michelle, she'd come in and she saw Michelle (4:17) in this corner. And she really didn't have language.And so all this was going on. And (4:24) then one time her ex-husband had come to take the girls for the weekend and never returned them. (4:33) And she was looking for them.And so he had basically kidnapped them. And so it was nine (4:42) months later, he returned Michelle,