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Two Founders Walk Into

Two Founders Walk Into

著者: Ajit Sivaram and Satish Manchikanti
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One got fired. The other nearly went bankrupt. Naturally, they did the most illogical thing—built one of India’s fastest-growing Change Movements with 37,000 changemakers. On this podcast, Ajit Sivaram and Satish Manchikanti spill the secrets of leadership—sharp insights, harsh truths, and enough jokes to make HR nervous. Because great leadership isn’t built in boardrooms. It’s built in moments when everything goes spectacularly wrong.Ajit Sivaram and Satish Manchikanti 経済学
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  • What Does It REALLY Take to Create Change at Scale? | Exponential Change with Sanjay Purohit | Ajit & Satish | Podcast
    2026/09/15
    What does it actually take to build something that can reach a billion people?In this episode, Sanjay Purohit unpacks what exponential change really means, and why social impact can't be approached the way we approach business growth. After 25 years in the corporate world, Sanjay stepped away at 50, mentored by Nandan Nilekani, to build the Center for Exponential Change. Ten years later, after EkStep, Shiksha Graha, and now Apurva.AI, he puts it bluntly: if you tried to train India's 4.5 million school leaders one institution at a time, it would take 5000 years. So he didn't. He built a network instead.Sanjay pushes on three sharper questions: What is scale? What is speed? And what does it mean for change to actually sustain?The conversation explores:Why scale is about the size of the problem, not the size of your organisationWhy solutions need to be portable, able to spread through other people's handsThe relationship between scale, speed, and sustainability, and why "differentiation" is often the wrong questionWhy sometimes "slow is faster" than what we think is fastThe "farm vs. forest" mental model, and why interconnected systems outlast standalone programsHow networks help solve problems too large for any single organisation (Project ECHO's "all teach, all learn" model)Why expertise needs to be diffused, not concentrated in a few expertsHow young changemakers can build the self-efficacy to lead systemic changeHow AI can become a force for diffusion rather than concentration, shaping Apurva.AIWhat it means to design for population-level impact, not project-level impactIf you're interested in systems change, social impact, exponential change, innovation, leadership, AI, or networks, this episode is for you.Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@UCPichWEo9gwkwpABT8kgk9QTwo Founders Walk Into Featured in FeedSpot's Top 25 Indian Leadership PodcastsAbout Ajit Sivaram and Satish Manchikanti - Co-founders of U&I Trust and Change+.About U&I - A nonprofit committed to transforming lives through education and community engagement. U&I Teach provides after-school tutoring and mentorship to underprivileged children across India. U&I Empower creates volunteering opportunities for corporate employees. Core values: #bethechange #bigaudaciousimpact #inthistogetherAbout Change+ - Helps people become the leaders they're meant to be, blending self-awareness, real-world practice, and people-first thinking for emerging and senior leaders.Follow them on LinkedIn:Ajit Sivaram - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajit4949/Satish Manchikanti - https://www.linkedin.com/in/satish-manchikanti/Visit our Website: https://uandi.org.in/Volunteer With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/volunteerPartner With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/csrWork With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/hiringDonate to our Cause: https://ui.danamojo.org/Follow Us:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/uandi.org.in/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/u&i-charity/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/uanditvSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/04ZaR7HIvmqL5iG9wAAdV4Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/two-founders-walk-into/id1806002327Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/0a5b4559-645c-4b99-a556-adef1fab97c7/two-founders-walk-intoMore from Sanjay:Rhythm, Harmony, Melody: https://centreforexponentialchange.org/rhythm-harmony-melody-the-art-of-system-orchestration/System Orchestration: https://centreforexponentialchange.org/it-is-a-system-orchestration-at-play/Podcast with ShikshaLokam: https://youtu.be/6s_qIK0VV8QPodcast with Apurva: https://youtu.be/Z3oIx4WwHbwThink Collective Month: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-squirrels-know-scale-societal-thinking-9tsdc/Think Books: https://societalthinking.org/books/Project ECHO: https://societalthinking.org/distributing-the-ability-to-solve-moving-knowledge-faster-with-with-echo/What is Exponential Change: https://centreforexponentialchange.org/what-is-exponential-change/
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  • Why Managers Are a Bottleneck by Default | Ajit & Satish | Season 2 | Podcast
    2026/08/24

    Why do fast-growing companies suddenly slow down?

    Often, the bottleneck isn’t strategy, technology or even talent. It’s the management layer.

    In this conversation, we unpack why managers can become one of the biggest barriers to scaling a company — and what CEOs, founders and senior leaders can do about it.

    We explore the three leadership bottlenecks growing organisations need to solve:

    * Execution ownership

    * People leadership

    * Leadership systems

    From Google removing managers and bringing them back, to Netflix building a culture of context over control, Microsoft moving from “know-it-all” to “learn-it-all,” and HUL developing leaders through real-world responsibility, we look at what some of the world’s strongest organisations have done differently.

    We also discuss why managers often end up with 100% accountability and 0% autonomy, why promoting your best individual contributor doesn't automatically create a great people manager, and why leadership development cannot stop at workshops.

    The bigger question is this:

    How do you move from accidental managers to leadership by design?

    Because ultimately, a company can only grow as fast as its managers.

    If you’re a CEO, founder, CHRO, business leader or people leader building a scaling organisation, this conversation is for you.

    Subscribe to our channel and never miss the latest episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@UCPichWEo9gwkwpABT8kgk9Q

    Two Founders Walk Into Featured in FeedSpot's Top 25 Indian Leadership Podcasts

    About Ajit Sivaram and Satish Manchikanti - They are the co-founders of U&I Trust and Change+.

    About U&I - U&I is a nonprofit organization committed to transforming lives through education and community engagement. Our two core programs are U&I Teach and U&I Empower. U&I Teach provides after-school tutoring and mentorship to underprivileged children across India, helping bridge the education gap. U&I Empower creates volunteering opportunities for corporate employees, enabling them to give back through meaningful, impact-driven experiences. At the heart of U&I are our core values: #bethechange #bigaudaciousimpact and #inthistogether

    About Change+ - The organization helps people become the leaders they’re meant to be. The leadership training journeys blend self-awareness, real-world practice, and people-first thinking, helping teams lead with clarity, confidence, and impact. From emerging managers to senior leaders, Change+ designs learning experiences that teach leadership.

    Follow them on LinkedIn:

    Ajit Sivaram - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajit4949/

    Satish Manchikanti - https://www.linkedin.com/in/satish-manchikanti/

    Visit our Website: https://uandi.org.in/

    Volunteer With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/volunteer

    Partner With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/csr

    Work With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/hiring

    Donate to our Cause: https://ui.danamojo.org/

    Follow Us:

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/uandi.org.in/

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/u&i-charity/

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/uanditv

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/04ZaR7HIvmqL5iG9wAAdV4

    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/two-founders-walk-into/id1806002327 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/0a5b4559-645c-4b99-a556-adef1fab97c7/two-founders-walk-into

    #podcast #genz #leadership #ngo #entrepreneur #management


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  • It's Okay to Shut Down Your NGO | Dovetails's Amit Alex Antony Explains Why
    2026/06/24


    What does it actually take to get funded as an NGO in India and why are so many organisations pitching the wrong funders entirely?

    In this episode of Two Founders Walk Into, we sit down with Amit Antony Alex, Investment Director at Dovetail Impact Foundation, where he manages an international portfolio of social enterprises and impact organisations. Before Dovetail, Amit led investments at Upaya Social Ventures and headed enterprise grants at the UN Foundation's Clean Cooking Alliance giving him a rare vantage point from both sides of the funder-NGO relationship.

    This conversation goes deep on the structural realities of philanthropy in India: why the sector is maturing but still has a long way to go, what the 10x startup culture is doing to nonprofits, and why the most honest thing a social entrepreneur can sometimes do is shut their organisation down.

    Subscribe to our channel and never miss the latest episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@UCPichWEo9gwkwpABT8kgk9Q

    Two Founders Walk Into Featured in FeedSpot's Top 25 Indian Leadership Podcasts

    About Ajit Sivaram and Satish Manchikanti - They are the co-founders of U&I Trust and Change+.

    About U&I - U&I is a nonprofit organization committed to transforming lives through education and community engagement. Our two core programs are U&I Teach and U&I Empower. U&I Teach provides after-school tutoring and mentorship to underprivileged children across India, helping bridge the education gap. U&I Empower creates volunteering opportunities for corporate employees, enabling them to give back through meaningful, impact-driven experiences. At the heart of U&I are our core values: #bethechange #bigaudaciousimpact and #inthistogether

    About Change+ - The organization helps people become the leaders they’re meant to be. The leadership training journeys blend self-awareness, real-world practice, and people-first thinking, helping teams lead with clarity, confidence, and impact. From emerging managers to senior leaders, Change+ designs learning experiences that teach leadership.

    Follow them on LinkedIn:

    Ajit Sivaram - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajit4949/

    Satish Manchikanti - https://www.linkedin.com/in/satish-manchikanti/

    Visit our Website: https://uandi.org.in/

    Volunteer With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/volunteer

    Partner With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/csr

    Work With U&I: https://uandi.org.in/hiring

    Donate to our Cause: https://ui.danamojo.org/

    Follow Us:

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/uandi.org.in/

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/u&i-charity/

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/uanditv

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/04ZaR7HIvmqL5iG9wAAdV4

    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/two-founders-walk-into/id1806002327 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/0a5b4559-645c-4b99-a556-adef1fab97c7/two-founders-walk-into

    Timestamps:

    00:00 — What excites Amit about where India is heading 02:30 — India's growth story and the two Indias 06:21 — Three things India's philanthropic sector needs to fix 08:21 — The funder-NGO power imbalance, explained 15:33 — How nonprofits can build towards scale the right way 18:01 — The controversial case for closing your NGO 19:36 — AI and its real (vs. hyped) potential in the social sector 22:03 — Career advice for young people entering the social sector 26:32 — Should funders pay for salaries? Unrestricted funding explained 29:03 — One change that would transform the nonprofit sector in 10 years

    #philanthropy #nonprofit #socialimpact #NGO #India #ImpactInvesting #TwoFoundersWalkInto #socialentrepreneur


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