In this episode, guest hosts Pauline James and David Creelman welcome culture strategist and author Dr. Jessica Kriegel for a conversation on how leaders can use AI thoughtfully to enhance, not replace, the human side of work.

In this lively discussion, Jessica unpacks what’s really happening inside organizations as AI, culture, and change management collide. She explains why this is the “moment for change management,” how leaders can create experiences that shift employee perceptions, and why the illusion of control is the biggest barrier to transformation. Jessica also shares fascinating examples, from manufacturing firms using AI for data insight to companies experimenting with “culture-measuring” chatbots.

Key Themes

• How leaders can move beyond “the action trap” to shift employee perceptions through meaningful experiences
• Real-world AI use cases that reveal both opportunity and risk, from sales analytics to culture analytics
• The fine line between empowerment and surveillance in workplace technology
• Why “surrender” is the surprising secret to stronger leadership and sustainable change

Why HR Professionals Should Listen

For HR leaders navigating the dual revolutions of AI and culture, Jessica Kriegel offers a rare combination of candor, intelligence, and humor. She speaks the language of both strategy and humanity, reminding us that change doesn’t start with systems or data, but with what people believe.

Her upcoming book, her co-authored with Joe Terry, Surrender to Lead, which will be released in January 2026, expands on her insights. Jessica invites leaders to let go of the illusion of control and focus on what really drives results: their presence, mindset, and the ability to create meaningful experiences for employees which inspire alignment and action.

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