What really goes on behind the scenes in Big Tech and the AI labs racing toward AGI?In this wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation, Jordan Thibodeau (former M&A leader at Google, Slack, and Salesforce) and Joe Ternasky (ex-Google, Facebook, Apple, and more) sit down with Wes Roth to talk shop about artificial intelligence, Silicon Valley politics, AI agents, AGI hype, China, venture capital, doomers, deniers, and dreamers—and what it’s like to actually work on the inside.
We dig deep into:The moment GPT-4 changed everythingWhy AI agents still suck (and how to tell when they don’t)The shady motivations behind AI doomers and government lobbyingOpenAI’s Windsurf acquisition and the war over developer toolsGoogle's AI bureaucracy and DeepMind's riseHow deep search and multimodal models are reshaping researchThe economics and geopolitics of AI infrastructureWhy jingoism and hype cycles are infecting the ValleyReal talk about hallucination, interpretability, and AGI readinessThe three types of people in AI: Doomers, Deniers, and DreamersThis is part 1 of a multi-part series. It’s raw, funny, occasionally controversial—and packed with insights for anyone serious about AI, business strategy, or cutting through the noise.🔔 Subscribe for more unscripted, real conversations in tech and AI.