Today we are sharing a really a recent conversation with my new friend, author and pastor, Kimberly Knowle Zeller. Kimberly and Katy discuss her new book, “Small Steps: Blessings to Lift Your Soul on the Pilgrimage of Life”, as well as her journey on the Camino de Santiago, the power of offering blessings for every season and circumstance in life and so much more.

Make sure you stick around for our bonus episode only available on Substack for our Second Service members where Kimberly does something really special and not only reads one of the blessings from her book, but also shares why her book specifically might mean a lot to someone who is walking through a season of doubt or deconstruction.

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Today we are featuring a conversation with author, musicologist, and frequent contributor to Christianity Today, Kelsey Kramer McGinnis. Kelsey and Katy talk about all things church ministry and worship leading, especially as it pertains to women. They discuss why women can write worship songs and lead them, often praying and speaking between songs, but are not able to preach in certain faith spaces and how blurry that line really is. They also discuss topics like aging out of leadership, funny baby voice, tracks, tech in worship, and more.

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Today we are sharing recent conversation Katy had with her friend, artist and entrepreneur, Grace Snively, about a high control group they were both part of over a decade ago. Grace and Katy process what it was like to be in the group in real time, as well as what it was like to leave the group, and rebuilding your faith after leaving a group like this.

Check out our bonus Second Service episode on Substack where Katy and Grace share how trauma still shows up in their everyday lives as well as red flags to know whether or not you’re in a high control group and why faith based groups are prone to power abuses. This episode is only available for paid subscribers. You can join our Second Service community for just $8 until the end of July (normally $12) and take advantage of all our paid subscriber perks. Click here to join and lock in at the discounted rate for the remainder of your subscription.

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Today we are sharing our first ever listener mailbag episode where Katy answers your questions. Katy is joined by her husband Jon for this conversation who chimes in and shares his take on household responsibilities, time management, egalitarian marriage, healthy churches, seminary, and more. And make sure you listen through till the end for two very exciting Theology Girls announcements.

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Today we are sharing a special bonus conversation with Amanda McCracken, author of “When Longing Becomes Your Lover” and limerence expert. Amanda shares about her experience as a 40 year old virgin who had become addicted to longing for love rather than actually pursuing healthy relationships, and how she connects the harmful teachings of purity culture to her struggles.

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Today we are sharing a conversation featuring podcaster, author and “Insta Pastor,” Kristin Mockler Young. Kristin and Katy discuss her upcoming book “The Other Side of Certainty” and what it looks like to live inside tension rather than look for clear cut answers when it comes to faith. Kristin shares about her rise to internet fame and what it’s like being a female pastor, particularly one who’s been outspoken about Christian nationalism and caring for marginalized communities, as well as diet culture and raising daughters.

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Today we are sharing a conversation featuring author and feminist theologian, Claire McKeever Burgett. Claire and and Katy discuss both her books, Blessed are the Women and In the Beginning Were the Women and how she uses the art of sacred imagination to retell the stories of lesser known women throughout the Biblical text. Claire also explains how she uses the ancient Jewish practice of midrash in her writing, as well as what an embodied liturgy looks like for Christians today.

And make sure you stick around for my bonus episode with Claire on Substack where we discuss why the argument for a “plain reading of the text” as the only way to approach the Bible doesn’t really work. Join our Second Service Community for just $12 a month to receive weekly bonus episodes and essays, extra live discussions, as well as be part of our quarterly book club.

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Today we are sharing a recent conversation with Kari Maddox about what it’s really like to be a female pastor. Katy and Kari discuss her recent rise to internet fame due to a series of reels she created addressing women’s leadership roles in the Bible and early church, as well as the push back she’s received. Kari also shares about her ministry journey and misconceptions some people may have when it comes to female pastors.

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