Today we are sharing a really a recent conversation with my new friend, author and pastor, Kimberly Knowle Zeller. Kimberly and Katy discuss her new book, “Small Steps: Blessings to Lift Your Soul on the Pilgrimage of Life”, as well as her journey on the Camino de Santiago, the power of offering blessings for every season and circumstance in life and so much more.

Make sure you stick around for our bonus episode only available on Substack for our Second Service members where Kimberly does something really special and not only reads one of the blessings from her book, but also shares why her book specifically might mean a lot to someone who is walking through a season of doubt or deconstruction.

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Today we are featuring a conversation with author, musicologist, and frequent contributor to Christianity Today, Kelsey Kramer McGinnis. Kelsey and Katy talk about all things church ministry and worship leading, especially as it pertains to women. They discuss why women can write worship songs and lead them, often praying and speaking between songs, but are not able to preach in certain faith spaces and how blurry that line really is. They also discuss topics like aging out of leadership, funny baby voice, tracks, tech in worship, and more.

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Today we are sharing recent conversation Katy had with her friend, artist and entrepreneur, Grace Snively, about a high control group they were both part of over a decade ago. Grace and Katy process what it was like to be in the group in real time, as well as what it was like to leave the group, and rebuilding your faith after leaving a group like this.

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